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    24 days ago

    Hmm, red makes it go faster so you kill more people faster but they don’t suffer as long but blue gives you better team mates in matches… wait is this competitive trolley slaughter? I wasn’t expecting to need a team I guess I’ll choose blue because they will be carrying.

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      24 days ago

      They just do nothing to stop the fascists when they have power and do everything they can to compromise with them.

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      24 days ago

      The world cares about what they do to other nations, not to themselves. Crazy gun policies? Slave labour in prisons? Your problem. Military expansionism, cripling economic sanctions, political inference? Very much our problem. That did’t change.

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      24 days ago

      They aren’t fascists, yet they’re committing a genocide:

      Democrats: against every genocide except the current one.

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      24 days ago

      I don’t give a shit about " bankrupting the US!". It literally prints it’s own money. But I sure as shit do remember Democrats going full fascist and participating in the modern Holocaust.

      democrats are no saints.

      By which you mean they’re genocidal monsters.

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      24 days ago

      I’m sympathetic to your argument, but ultimately they absolutely are fascist. If you doubt me, then to ask a Palestinian. There is very little that the Trump regime is doing that the Democrats weren’t doing less obnoxiously and on a much slower timescale.

      We can’t keep accepting the lesser evil indefinitely. When you brush off the serious issues in the Democratic party with language like “no saints” you make it look like that’s exactly what you intend for the country to do. I mean “politicians will be politicians”. That’s not convincing anymore.

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        24 days ago

        If you doubt me, then to ask a Palestinian.

        Just to clarify this to others:

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        There is very little that the Trump regime is doing that the Democrats weren’t doing less obnoxiously and on a much slower timescale.

        That part is important. I hear you about “the lesser evil” but if you’re response to resisting a lesser evil results in a faster, accelerated evil then you have contributed to a much greater harm. If you doubt me, ask a Palestinian if they are better off with Democrats not having any power.

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          Palestinians have been a victim of genocide since 1948. Biden send cops to beat down pro-Palestinian student protestors, Bill Clinton went to Dearborn and talked about Samaria & Judea, a thousand democrat voters cackled on twitter wishing violence on gaza after holocaust harris lost.

          Genocide and Empire is bipartisan politics and we will destroy both of them. Lies must make place for truth and empires mush perish.

        • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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          If you doubt me, ask a Palestinian if they are better off with Democrats not having any power.

          Biden was in power when the genocide started and during most of it. He had the power to stop it and didn’t. So there’s your answer.

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            24 days ago

            OP just said that under Trump the genocide is happening faster and you don’t consider that worse off?

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          24 days ago

          To put it differently, if they are the proximate cause of the Trump presidency, then you are the ultimate cause. I throw up my hands at trying to decide which matters more.

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          That’s the part where I’m sympathetic to your argument. I think anyone not voting for Harris made a mistake. I also think the arguments people like you made for people to vote for Harris were really really bad and that you are enabling the Democrats to continue down a terrible path of failure.

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            I also think the arguments people like you made for people to vote for Harris were really really bad and that you are enabling the Democrats to continue down a terrible path of failure.

            The argument I made for people to vote for Harris was that this is exactly what will happen if Trump wins, and 3 months before an election is not the time to try to get a viable alternative. Harris sucked, her campaign was shit, but the alternative is running the predictable course.

            Now is an excellent time to work on a viable alternative, but saying “both are the same” is disingenuous, and is not actually putting an alternative forward.

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    24 days ago

    This thread is being targeted by a lot of no-content “correct the record” fediverse accounts, upvoting pro-genocide US democratic party and Israeli talking points. Please report them so we can ban them ASAP.

    Thank you to all the posters below doing great work debunking them.

  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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    24 days ago

    The supposed democracy advocates within the democratic party continue to refuse to fix the First-past-the-post voting system.

    Dont worry, you can count on them to point out all the flaws of the voting system during the midterm while doing nothing to fix it before or afterwards.

    Trump was inevitable under such conditions. If you capture one (or more) political parties in a two party system, clearly you can undo every single check and balance. Wake up blue MAGA, your continued use of the FPTP crutch is a national security threat and will cause the nation to crumble.

    Was it worth it keeping those safe blue states? Was it worth the easy elections against the worst of us all?

    America last, party over country at all costs.

    Electoral Reform Videos

    First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

    Videos on alternative electoral systems

    STAR voting

    Alternative vote

    Ranked Choice voting

    Range Voting

    Single Transferable Vote

    Mixed Member Proportional representation

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      the FPTP crutch is a national security threat and will cause the nation to crumble.

      Don’t threaten me with a good time

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    15 days ago

    Ok then, what should people do? Easy to criticize, but hard to find answers.

    Edit: I’ll stick to what actually works: punch a nazi.

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      24 days ago

      Join PSL and DSA and do not vote until they follow through with demands, both sides continue genocide and war on a grand scale

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          24 days ago

          This assumes the USA is a democracy at the federal level. Where votes by people matter.

          Many states use election machines, owned by oligarchs, whose operations are a closed book and are not regulated. Coincidentally those states, both red and blue, fail tests approved by the United Nations to detect tampering of votes.

          Those states make the other states, that actually pass the tests, irrelevant.

          What makes democracy, in the USA, unable to curb the even the very gross problems today is not the people doing the cheating.

          But it is the people who refuse to call the cheating out (by addressing the real issues), and more important the majority of citizens who absolutely do not see this as a problem. It’s only when this is addressed can the actual issues of a real democracy be looked at.

          Even then, real reform is hard to do in a democracy. Especially one so large and out of control as the nation we see now. So any reform has to be not using the ballot box.

          A boycott actually could help.

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            24 days ago

            They do not care if you do not vote. Actually getting you not to vote is their stated goal and they have spent decades and millions of dollars specifically trying to make it harder for you to vote.

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              Republican efforts to suppress voting and the democrat “get out the vote” initiatives have much in common.

              In some states voting matters, in most it does not. And federally it does not.

              Seen in this context both efforts are a type of grifting and scam. No different than other political rabble rousing.

              Pretensions USA is a democracy makes reform that much harder. And both parties do this well

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    24 days ago

    Hey OP, you wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?

    Hell, go tell a bunch of drag queens and trans people.

    While you’re at it, go find some under aged girls who’ve been impregnated by adult men and tell them the Dems are just as bad as the GOP.

    I’m sure it’ll resonate with all of them /s

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      Hey OP, you wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?

      I’ll tell you.

      This shit was already happening. Yes, it’s taken another step under Trump, but the incrementalism occurred with Democratic fascists as well. What Trump is able to do now would be impossible if Democrats hadn’t seized on the illegal powers dreamed up by Clinton and Dubya and ran with them.

      Clinton, while fucking his interns, invented ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ and did nothing about persecution of gay people, and in fact, he was the one who signed DOMA. He invented “peacekeeping actions” so he could make war without calling it that, and he did just that. He cut the social safety net wholesale, making Americans poorer, and doubled down on poverty with his ‘free trade’ policies that helped usher in the era of companies moving offshore and killing US jobs. Oh, and he was a regular on Epstein’s island and the Lolita Express.

      Obama let police run roughshod in Ferguson and New York City, brutalizing victims of police violence and people who lost their homes and decided to participate in Occupy. He appointed Tom Homan and put kids in cages. He made torture explicitly extra-legal. He walked into Flint and performatively drank a glass of water. He dropped 26,000 bombs in the last year of his presidency and left office with American wars brewing in seven countries. We also learned under Obama that police departments in the US have black sites and his presidency was kidnapping renditioning people to black sites in foreign countries. He also ordered drone bombings that killed American citizens.

      We knew Biden was going to be shit when, in a time people wanted federal police reform, he mocked the change people wanted in his State of the Union address by calling for greater police militarization, and his presidency gave rise to ‘cop cities’. Even worse, it’s now possible for cops to hang out in a school that’s getting shot up, on camera, with zero consequences. After January 6 he did nothing meaningful to slow the evident rise of domestic fascism, showing a greater interest in keeping his scumbag son out of prison. He deported undocumented immigrants by the millions and continued the policy of caging kids. Biden earned the moniker ‘Genocide Joe’ for aiding and abetting the genocide in Israel, even when Israel escalated it into a manufactured famine, which is a war crime. Then he ran for president knowing he had dementia, paving the way for Trump’s second term, prioritizing his own ego over the country’s well-being.

      This isn’t a ‘Democrats are better’ scenario. Most people just haven’t really paid attention to what Democrats do or have the short-term memory of a goldfish.

      And before you try to argue they were powerless, consider that all three of these men had the presidency and control of Congress, just like Trump. They had all the power they needed to make real change. They just didn’t care.

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      23 days ago

      Are you one of those? Or do you just talk over them, depriving them of their voice?

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      Hey hypocrite.
      Want to tell all the deported and kids in cages under Genocide Joe how that was much better?
      Or that bombing brown people everywhere in the world, droning weddings or aiding genocide of Palestinians is better bcs it’s under those Dems who have those famous ‘democratic values’ they’re always crying about?
      Just say it like it is, libs only care about themselves.
      You all didn’t give a fuck about what you did to the world since forever.
      And you probably also don’t give a fuck about trans people either.
      The problem is now the fascism you supported has come home, and the libs don’t like the taste of their own medicine.
      That’s ALL that bothering you.

      Enjoy your karma, hope you get a lot of it.

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      wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?

      Those neighborhoors will tell you that ICE had been around since 2002 and while happy you’re finally getting with the program, despite the current administration’s best attempts, 2012 was the worst year so far right after the democrats had their governmental trifecta and with the dreamers bait and switch.

      So yes, while different flavors, they have been equally bad.

      go tell a bunch of drag queens and trans people.

      Republicans despise them, Democrats love to use them. That isn’t necessarily better.

      go find some under aged girls who’ve been impregnated by adult men and tell them the Dems are just as bad as the GOP.

      Fucking yes, the big Epstein reveal is that it’s all of them. The Trumps and the Clinton’s.

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        23 days ago

        It’s relieving to see common sense on the internet, have upvote. It’s very interesting how the uniparty seems to get majority vote every single election.

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        Those neighborhoors will tell you that ICE had been around since 2002 and while happy you’re finally getting with the program, despite the current administration’s best attempts, 2012 was the worst year so far right after the democrats had their governmental trifecta and with the dreamers bait and switch.

        So yes, while different flavors, they have been equally bad.

        You are fucking delusional to the extreme.

        While ICE has been attacking immigrants for decades, you got to be a god damn idiot to equate ICE operating under Dems compared to Trump where ICE NOW HAS A BUDGET LARGER THAN THE MARINES, IS COMPLETELY EXEMPT FROM ANY LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE TRUMP HAS THROWN OUT THE CONSTITUTION, RAMPIDLY BUILT CONCENTRATION CAMPS AT A RECORD PASTETHAT ARE MORE RESTRICTED TO THE PUBLIC THAN EVER, AND NOW ARE MASS ARRESTING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND CITIZENS ALIKE.

        All while the rule of law has been entirely abandoned.

        It was bad for immigrants before, it’s actual Hell for everyone now.

        Not to mention it’s gotten so much worse that you can actually observe it on national economic data.

        Republicans despise them, Democrats love to use them. That isn’t necessarily better.

        I think any marginalized community would prefer having the wiggle room of being able to exist and organize under hollow virtue signals than ACTIVE AND RAPIDLY EXPANDING GENOCIDE.

        Call me crazy, but one seems a bit better than the other.

        Fucking yes, the big Epstein reveal is that it’s all of them. The Trumps and the Clinton’s.

        Completely avoiding the point. Are you playing stupid or is this just how you are?

        REPUBLICANS BANNED ABORTION

        REPUBLICANS WANT TO BAN CONTRACEPTIVES

        Dems, believe it or not, fucking didn’t.

        The only people you are helping by spreading this “both sides” BULLSHIT is the fascists. Take Trump’s tiny cock out of your mouth and smell the shit around you.

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          ICE NOW HAS A BUDGET LARGER THAN THE MARINES, IS COMPLETELY EXEMPT FROM ANY LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE TRUMP HAS THROWN OUT THE CONSTITUTION, RAMPIDLY BUILT CONCENTRATION CAMPS AT A RECORD PASTETHAT ARE MORE RESTRICTED TO THE PUBLIC THAN EVER, AND NOW ARE MASS ARRESTING LEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND CITIZENS ALIKE.

          The same can be said between Trump’s first term and Biden’ presidency. The level of funding and militancy isn’t a function of R vs D, but a function of time as they because increasingly less cost effective and require increasing force to attempt to maintain/increase the level of eliminations.

          All while the rule of law has been entirely abandoned.

          You’re delusional if you believe in the “rule of law”, that’s never been how the justice system has worked in the US.

          It was bad for immigrants before, it’s actual Hell for everyone now.

          Sorry you can no longer sleep through brunch and now have to face the realities that immigrants and others have been facing for decades.

          Not to mention it’s gotten so much worse that you can actually observe it on national economic data.

          … What? Can you clarify what you mean by this and what data? This feels like Facebook level finger pointing and not based on any actual data or proper analysis, but I’m happy to be proven wrong there.

          I think any marginalized community would prefer having the wiggle room of being able to exist and organize under hollow virtue signals than ACTIVE AND RAPIDLY EXPANDING GENOCIDE.

          Your “group” being spared genocide as a tool to influct genocide on others is not the “easy moral dilemma” you make it out to be.

          REPUBLICANS BANNED ABORTION

          The bipartisan nominated supreme court banned abortion during a democratic party trifecta.

          Blaming the Republicans primarily for that is as asinine as blaming the Democrats primarily for the current government shutdown.

          Dems, believe it or not, fucking didn’t.

          No? So they’re just completely powerless and their votes were forced even though they really, really didn’t want to?

          The only people you are helping by spreading this “both sides” BULLSHIT is the fascists.

          The difference is who we say are fascists. Yes, the Republicans are fascist, but so are the Democrats.

          Take Trump’s tiny cock out of your mouth and smell the shit around you.

          If there’s one thing we can agree on it’s that the elephant in the room is absolutely covered in shit. However, I’m busy trying to take the fucking animals outside and am currently begging for you to please, please stop sucking donkey cock, realize the problems, and help.

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      Hey OP, you wanna go ahead and go to any neighborhood that’s been raided by ICE and tell them how the Dems are exactly just as bad as the GOP?

      Obama Leaves Office As ‘Deporter-In-Chief’

      Democrats tried so fucking hard to outflank the Republicans from the Right for eight long years. But as soon as they lost, its those damned leftists at fault for not voting harder.

      Hell, go tell a bunch of drag queens and trans people.

      I’ve got a trans friend who has more rotten things to say about Joe Biden than your eardrums can handle.

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      While you’re at it, go find some under aged girls who’ve been impregnated by adult men and tell them the Dems are just as bad as the GOP.

      Sure, which victim of Clinton’s should we start with?

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    23 days ago

    More like…

    The lever can reduce the speed of the trolley depending on which way you turn it, but regardless the trolley will gradually accelerate either way.

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          That was exactly my point, furthest left mainstream politician in Poland is Adrian Zandberg who is imperialist succdem and only split from the main den of succ because they ratfucked his sect on loot divide. There is not a single socialist to vote and wasn’t for years.