Yes, anarchists have had some degree of localized success, but the scale and longevity of Marxist projects speaks more to its own successes over anarchism, not simply the popularity of ideas.
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Yes, anarchists have had some degree of localized success, but the scale and longevity of Marxist projects speaks more to its own successes over anarchism, not simply the popularity of ideas.
It’s not about being common, it’s about being tested in reality and affirmed by it.
In general, Marxism-Leninism has been the most successful in establisbing socialist states and uplifting the lives of the people. On top of that, its theoretical groundings have been most consistently affirmed by testing in reality.
Anarchists and Marxists may share the imperialists and capitalists as a common class enemy, but take their practice in different directions. Anarchism is primarily about communalization of production. Marxism is primarily about collectivization of production.
When I say “communalization,” I mean anarchists propose horizontalist, decentralized cells, similar to early humanity’s cooperative production but with more interconnection and modern tech. When I say collectivization, I mean the unification of all of humanity into one system, where production and distribution is planned collectively to satisfy the needs of everyone as best as possible.
For anarchists, collectivized society still seems to retain the state, as some anarchists conflate administration with the state as it represents a hierarchy. For Marxists, this focus on communalism creates inter-cell class distinctions, as each cell only truly owns their own means of production, giving rise to class distinctions and thus states in the future.
For Marxists, socialism must have a state, a state can only wither with respect to how far along it has come in collectivizing production and therefore eliminating class. All states are authoritarian, but we cannot get rid of the state without erasing the foundations of the state: class society, and to do so we must collectivize production and distribution globally. Socialist states, where the working class wields its authority against capitalists and fascists, are the means by which this collectivization can actually happen, and are fully in-line with Marx’s beliefs. Communism as a stateless, classless, moneyless society is only possible post-socialism.
Abolishing the state overnight would not create the kind of society Marxists advocate for advancing towards, and if anything, would result in the resumption of competition and the resurgance of capitalism if Marx and Engels predictions are correct.


Nah, I just checked your modlog when you said people can get banned “for disagreeing with North Korea.” You can do it for anyone, on the default web viewer just click the 3 dots then “XYZ Moderation History.” No stalking necessary.
I do argue about politics, sure. I don’t stalk people to do it, though. I do touch grass, and my spouse and I hug plenty, thanks for worrying though. Not a CPC agent either, though that would be cool.
I am a Statesian, and they certainly didn’t teach me how to think critically about the system I live in nor how it lies about its geopolitical enemies. That’s something that came with living and working in a brutal system gradually. I sincerely doubt you were taught by the system you live in to be genuinely critical of the system you live in, Statesian or not.
Also, don’t call me babe.
Since you said that, I checked redstarpublishers for Cornforth’s work, and it’s in the same text PDF format! Might be a lot easier to transcribe into an epub for comlib or Prolewiki library entry!


Complaining about “violent antifa psychos” isn’t really constructive discussion, it’s just open admission to being against antifascism.
Yep, thought so too at first when searching for it, it’s one of those things I don’t think anyone has gotten around to transcribing into plain text.
I haven’t actually seen Materialism and the Dialectical Method transcribed into text, though I’m sure epubs exist of it somewhere. I’ve only found pdfs, like the above link. I wouldn’t want to ask anyone to take on such a large task, but if it’s something you’d like to take on I’d absolutely appreciate it.
Cornforth’s prior mentioned work and Adoratsky’s Dialectical Materialism are the two I’ve been passively looking for. I think they may replace Elementary Principles of Philosophy, or perhaps come after it.
Let me know if anything comes of it!
I actually have been meaning to look at changing up the philosophy section for Rev 3, and this was one of the candidates. Unfortunately, it isn’t in a format that is easily readable on a phone, like Prolewiki or epubs, and I haven’t read it myself either. If someone were to add it to a site where it is easy to read on phones, then it would be much more compelling to add. Same as Adoratsky’s work on Dialectical Materialism


A capitalist party being right-wing is basic left/right understanding. Dugin has nothing to do with this.


Leftists don’t really have “rigid” worldviews, but consistent ones. It takes a great deal of confronting the status quo ideologically, as well as study, in order to definitively say that capitalism has to go. Liberals tend to just be born into their liberalism, and thus often hold extremely contradictory or irrational views.


Bingo.


Liberals call this “purity testing,” but fundamentally the democrats stand for perpetuating capitalism and imperialism. These two points of contention are irreconcilable with any leftist.


You called countries like China “shitholes,” and were taking issue with the fact that the US Empire has been a constant source of pain and misery for the entire planet, yet the DPRK is labeled as a “terrorizing rogue state.” It isn’t because you don’t agree with the DPRK, it’s because you were being chauvanist and minimizing the fact that the DPRK is a very peaceful country internationally (since the Korean War) while the US Empire has been committing vast amounts of genocide and imperialism the world over.


Not all disagreements are “purity testing.”


All communists are at first socialists, communism is a post-socialist mode of production. Liberals on the other hand support capitalism, and do unfortunately outnumber the socialists/communists. It isn’t about “purity tests,” there are fundamental disagreements among people that cannot be reconciled.


“Tankie” is just a pejorative for Marxists in the form of a strawman laden with contradictions. Marxism-Leninism is by no means right-wing, but that just goes to show you how ridiculous the strawman is. Lemmy.world is more liberal, anti-communist, so there’s lots of red scare fearmongering over there.
As a side note, if you want a broader user experience, it might be better to make an account on sopuli.xyz or something like it that doesn’t block the major leftist instances like Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml, which Lemmy.world unfortunately does.
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