Hmm, I don’t think that’s true either. You as well, stranger.

Quite a long, pedantic response.

I didn’t in fact read your other links, nice to see you’re unable to imagine others having lives and limited time. At no point did I say you ate meat, but that you are using similar tactics.

Curious, how much writing you do when all I ask is whether you think animals experience curiosity, and how much of it doesn’t have anything to do with that question.

Rolling back through your overly elaborate discussions here, you’ll note that I never said humans and animals had the same emotions, nor to the same level we as a species do. But I do say what they have is analogous, and that the line between anthropomorphism and observation can itself be a fuzzy concept.

Do you understand that, or will you resort to ad hominem again?

Unfortunately I’ve got to disagree with you from the outset, they do in fact express emotions, having witnessed one of my pets feel less inclined to partake in activities he very much normally enjoyed when his compatriot of a different species eventually passed away due to age. That is one clear example I’ve observed on my own, several times in a couple of different species over the years (unfortunately).

It’s a bit pedantic, in truth, to state that these animals don’t feel human emotions. Do all of us experience ennui for that matter? Envy, to the same level as one another? Which leads to a paradox of how one defines a conscious, human mind at all, if it were indeed based only on what emotions are present when presented with a similar stimulus.

Further, I’m noticing that you’re focused on dancing around “are they human”, not “are they conscious”, a more interesting & insightful question. Unfortunately, I’ve noticed this tactic among people who don’t want to feel bad about eating other conscious beings. If you eat other passengers on this ship called earth, so be it, but avoid the cowardice that comes with assigning them lower value in a pseudo-intellectual manner.

Do you think animals are capable of being curious, even when there’s no impetus for them to be? I certainly do.

How do you know?

My pets express themselves pretty clearly, despite having much more limited ability to communicate across species lines.

I feel reasonably confident in stating that I believe animals are conscious, just to varying depths.

We all know they do. It just makes compartmentalizing other… activities easier for some people.

I work in energy r&d, and have for several jobs over the years now.

My sadness is transmuted into passion for solving these issues from the ground up. Top brass is interested in “stock options” and blah blah blah, I’m just focused on solving technical problems to make efficient, powerful energy production that isn’t hard on the earth.

The money won’t matter if there’s nowhere to live. My efforts may not be enough, ultimately, but I’ll die knowing I tried to help solve the problems we’ve caused.

I’m not gonna do that, fuck that. I do hope this much screen time is ok for kids, even as a young programmer I didn’t have an iPad everywhere. Nobody seems concerned about their privacy, but guess what: neither did my millennial peers.

I think everything will be ok with alpha and Z. Let’s not repeat our the mistakes of our parents.

No worries, and whatever you choose will be better than stock, calyx graphene or lineage. Good luck!

I’m using CalyxOS, it comes with microG. I wish graphene supported microG, but they don’t.

Check out microG: https://microg.org/

I get all my push notifications, apps etc without any actual Google services on my phone. Remote google servers are still used, but in a more (though not fully) anonymous manner.

I’d go with CalyxOS. Install is also easy, but graphene touts allowing Google play services to be used… The very part of the picture that drew you to this comments section. You don’t have to install it in graphene, but then almost no apps work right.

CalyxOS use microG, a fully open-source spoof of Google play that is super light on battery, allows most apps to work fine (including banking), etc. Some apps like Pokemon go don’t, however.

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I so love the diversity of life here on this planet, it is truly magnificent.

The trick is how many more of us there are. The aristocracy seemed pretty complacent and untouchable, until one day when that changed.

Not saying it’s gotta get to that point, but making people see the direct consequences of their greed would be so good for us all.

Bullshit, these fucks led to hundreds of terrified deaths in pursuit of profit alone.

Accountants, engineers, manages, round em up and make them look through the wallets and personal possessions of the people who perished.

I got to pet one once, he closed his beak on my fingers but because of how long the break is, he couldn’t apply real pressure. It was pretty interesting to feel a bird play with your fingers who couldn’t actually hurt you.

This is compared to my little conures who instinctively nip out of fright if my partner pulls back the shower curtain in the other room haha. Ah… My poor fingers.

I think you’re right, and maybe add a modification. As a fellow engineer, I’ll suggest there’s a third option that’s more realistic when it comes to knowledgeable and lay people having a discussion:

• as mentioned in the meme, scientists can and do learn stuff that improves overall understanding.
• the quest for improved understanding is usually sparked by a strange or unique observation, sometimes by scientists, sometimes by the much larger population of regular folks
• Provided there is good intent and respect from both parties, I believe it’s critically important that people who have observed something unique be able to discuss it somehow with people who have particular skill related to that phenomena

What seems to be missing out of a lot of these misinformation tikTube fights is precisely that fundamental lack of respect. I’ve observed it’s very easy to destabilize a calm discussion with small amounts of inconsiderate speech by people within or outside the discussion. Sometimes it seems purposeful, but the result is a much slowed ability to communicate. That’s bad for us all.

I love both of mine, but damn do they not quit hahaha