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    It is impossible for liberal servers to not do this every few months.

    For them, legitimacy comes from proximity to their own media, educational institutions, state-produced propaganda, and power structures. Anything that challenges their white / western supremacist outlook gets demonized with “tankie” or “communist infiltration sapping our precious bodily fluids”.

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    Honest question: are there any Republicans on lemmy?

    Context: I’m socialist and mainly hang around hexbear so I see a lot of that. I also see plenty of liberals and libertarians but I haven’t seen any nazi’s or more standard Republicans. Are fascists just bad at tech or am I just lucky?

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      No.

      Why would they? “Moderate” Republicans would get zero engagement on anything, and if they’re way down the MAGA rabbit hole they are on different platforms to indulge in that.

      People here label “a particular liberal/leftist that’s not in my political tribe” as Republican all the time, though. It’s honestly mind boggling to me. Lemmy is in like the 99th percentile of the leftism scale in the US.

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        doesn’t matter, still tankies. libs declare anyone who is too left leaning as scary murderous tankies.

        tankie is not about what they believe in but how can we destroy their reputation so nobody listens to their actually effective anti-estabilishment rhetoric.

        basically a meaningless term used by right wingers for demonization, not a real descriptor of political leaning.

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    i seriously dont understand this hardcore anti “tankie”-ism on some parts of lemmy

    i understand banning fascists when theyre spreading hateful, discriminatory or/and genocidal rhetoric but what “tankies” believe in is just another political ideology

    almost as if they’re right about something and liberal moderators are scared of people finding out about the truth 🤔

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      It’s spurned by liberal admins and mods usually. They can’t actually argue against us so they put their cognitive dissonance into an unhealthy place of self-soothing.

      This actually isn’t unique to Lemmy at all it is the default reaction of committed liberals and liberals with thin skin. But when someone feels ownership of a place and like they’re losing legitimacy and control they can lash out.

      It’s also important to understand that most people online discussing politics in these forums know basically nothing. They don’t read. They can’t critically engage with media. They don’t question their own biases when presented with people from other cultures. They certainly don’t actually do anything irl that would teach them visceral lessons. Trying to build an organization (not a career in a non-profit), a party, or even just feeding people. They might as well be 10 year olds for all the information contained in their political opinions. But they feel extremely entitled to their positions and wrap it up in their identities. If they are contradicted they feel personally attacked. If they think something despite having never investigated it, they announce it proudly with confidence and bully those who disagree. In short, humility runs counter to their socialization.

      Finally, they’re used to punching right, or at least most of them are, and their rhetoric breaks down when they are instead forced to punch left. So they just start namecalling instead, banning, or just trolling, as it allows their egos to escape without much damage.

      Luckily, we are looking at an echo chamber of people who automatically self-isolate and can’t organize anything. In the real world conversations are faster and more productive and building things and teaching is much easier, even with an audience that isn’t entirely friendly. Irl people usually can’t get away with acting like such babies.

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    Taking the original image way literally for a sec, why did nobody question someone from US deciding if Cambodia should be communist or not? Shouldn’t Cambodians draw that line?

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    We know that some people eventually work past their “fuck tankies” stage because we did. Most of us used to believe the same things and for the same reasons, because we grew up under largely the same conditions.

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          I have supported socialist states, said positive things about Vietnam and China on countless occasions and never been called a Tankie.

          So I think there is a discussion and attitude element to it.

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            Depends on the audience, more than anything. Most socialists aren’t going to waste time calling each other a tankie.

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            So I think there is a discussion and attitude element to it.

            The same comment can be interpreted differently based on the author instance by liberals.

            Do the same type of comment with an account on .ml and see if people will call you tankie or not.

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                What Losurdo wrote related to that? I never read anything from him(I suck at reading important shit).

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                  It’s a common throughline in his writing, usually related to how we pervieve information based on our perception of the source. If the US says a country is evil, leftists might be suspicious of this claim and sometimes assume the opposite (to an extent), while conservatives would happily go along with it.

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        Tankie is a thought-terminating cliché by liberals that can’t handle losing an argument and don’t know how else to punch left.

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    “The evil tankies have taken over Lemmy and our instances are next”

    The evil tankies: “Who even are you”

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      they gotta do SOMETHING now that their asset – tesseract – has been exposed. lol

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    Got blocked from 196 for having an opinion that, although popular, did not align with the mods there so you know what? Fuck 196 and their baby mods. They’ve shown themselves to be little bitch snowflakes so let them be?

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      Your ban reason is listed as transphobia, I trust blahaj more with that than I trust blahaj when it comes to leftism.

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        Which is hilarious because I have a trans son whom I love to the ends of the earth. Almost like you can’t judge people from comments online. So yeah, fuck them.

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            A few things.

            1. The parallel is stupid.
            2. If you legit have a black friend you probably have more than one.
            3. I also have LGBT friends, have walked the pride parade, fought for them, etc.
            4. Opinions are like aasholes
            5. Arguing on The Internet proves both parties are removed

            I stand by what I say. The mods on 196/balajahaja or whatever the fuck it is are snowflake babies and nothing of value for me was lost but I’m more that happy to express they are snowflake babies whenever given the opportunity.

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              The mods on 196/balajahaja or whatever the fuck it is are snowflake babies

              I agree with this 100%. i have not dug into whatever comment got you in hot water

              Im just stating that being around LGBTQIA people, or any minority, or even being one of these groups, doesn’t preclude you, or anyone, from homophobia/transphobia/racism. We live in a racist ass society. we are all racist. we live in a transphobic society. we are all transphobic. instead of trying to argue why you arent these things you should instead examine why someone might say what you had done or said was transphobic.

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                Fundamentally I disagree with blocking outside of things like threatening life, CSAM or other extreme things. Doing it for different opinions? That’s a bitch move and sign of a weak person or persons.

                You or anyone else can go through my comment history at no point have I said anything destructive to anyone. Regardless it’s neither here nor there. The mods/admins of that instance have shown they are not interested in divergent or challenging opinions. Let them live in their walled garden. For anyone on their instance I would seriously take a second look at their bullshit policies and/or questionable moderation.

                My 2 cents.

                Edit and on your point of we live in a racist/transfobic society I agree 100%. Maybe it’s an opportunity for the people doing the banning to reflect maybe they need to pull their heads out their asses and realize intentionally removing voices from a room does not make the voices go away. And adult would have asked/talked it out. Dialogue. Nope. Bitch behaviour and block lol