Do the army support the president even if his orders are against your constitution? How is the overll clima and feeling today?
Just asking because I’m curious, I have no horse in this race :)
Edited to Armed forces since thats exactly what I ment
You might want to edit your post to read “armed forces” rather than army. The United States armed forces include Army, Navy, Coast Guard, Marines, Air Force, Space Force (LOL), and the National Guard. I apologize if I left anyone out.
I’d like to know if there is are general differences between the branches. Like, is the Air Force more liberal?
There are differences but I wouldn’t use terms like “liberal” although those who chose to join the Marines due tend to have a particular stereotype.
Something something crayons right?
That’s a special dietary need.
There are differences, but it’s quite difficult to define. There’s not a huge political difference except maybe the Marines are stereotypically known to be more right-leaning.
You are right that is what I ment! Just edited
If you honestly think they have an issue with following illegal orders, I think you should take a look at The Kent State massacre
The military has done some horrible stuff but going back 50+ years to prove how they feel today seems a stretch.
Get literally any soldier who was deployed to iraq or afghanistan drunk and they’ll tell you about unpunished warcrimes they witnessed or participated in.
I served in the military. You don’t seem to know much about it.
Literally any soldier? Really? The cooks? The guy at the mechanic shop? Literally any soldier?
Not everyone is going out on patrol. Not every soldier is committing a war crime. I’ve known dozens of people who went over seas and didn’t even see a hint of action. WTF is with these wild assumptions being passed as facts.
Does it happen, for fucking sure. But not at the level you seem to be implying. Not at all. People let their emotions rule over reason way too much.
I feel like you could use critical thinking and assume I’m talking about people who saw action.
Support staff aren’t innocent either to me. They supported the mission and it couldn’t have been done without them.
You said literally any soldier, so maybe say what you mean instead of being hyperbolic and then blaming people for thinking you mean what you actually said. You choose those words. You didn’t even say, “ask any soldier” you really wanted to classify it with “ask literally any soldier”. So if that’s not what you meant, why did you make that absurd claim? I don’t rely on people making assumptions when I present a point. That is wild…
And even then, I know people do have been in action and not witnessed any war crimes. I’ve known lots of these people, across a large sample. You’re in your room making baseless assumptions.
Yah, every guy making sure you get fed really condones war crimes. You lack any sense of nuance or actual understanding.
You’re just throwing out grand, sweeping claims…
Making sure I get fed? What exactly has the military done to secure food security? You’re complaining about hyperbole and make dumbass claims like that lol
They’re not baseless assumptions either. I’m sure your chud friends have seen plenty of horrific shit and they just don’t consider it bad, nor war crimes. I know people that have sniped unarmed civilians in Afghanistan and they considered it a way to alleviate boredom. There’s a couple people in my state that even got convicted of war crimes at Abu gharib but ended up getting set free.
Making sure I get fed? What exactly has the military done to secure food security? You’re complaining about hyperbole and make dumbass claims like that lol
Shoot, my bad. I forgot how easily confused you get. They keep the soldiers fed. I thought that was obvious from context, but I guess back to spoon feeding.
They’re not baseless assumptions either. I’m sure your chud friends have seen plenty of horrific shit and they just don’t consider it bad, nor war crimes.
They’re not baseless? You’re assuming you know my friends better than I do. Friends who were in the military with me, a life you clearly don’t understand or have ever experienced. But you claim with confidence to know what they consider bad? This is baseless by definition. You’re whole stance is based on assumptions.
But prove me wrong, my good friend Sgt Holt, what did he see that was a war crime? I’m curious since you seem to know so well.
I know people that have sniped unarmed civilians in Afghanistan and they considered it a way to alleviate boredom.
Lol first off I call bullshit. A sniper is not setting up a nest then giving away and drawing attention to that nest for no reason. That’s how you eat an RPG. Your basic lack of military knowledge is making your lies transparent AF lol.
There’s a couple people in my state that even got convicted of war crimes
Oh shit! A couple people got convicted of war crimes so every single soldier ever has committed war crimes. You are delusional and not living in reality guy. Do you apply this logic to every group? Because I’m sure you’re part of a group that has had members of that group so horrible things.
What a smart person would do is realize that each person is an individual and not judge an entire, massive group of people based on the actions of some people in that group.
Fuck off. I have 3 deployments under my belt and 0 war crimes. Some of us are just born poor as fuck and wanted to go to college. The military honestly isn’t some monolithic entity… 90% of the people on this thread literally have never talked to a service member and it shows lol
I have them in my family and have heard their stories. I don’t care what reason you justify joining. You acted as a tool of imperalism against people who did not deserve it.
Even if it was over 50 years ago it was a significant point in history that a lot of people seem to forget, and was a major turning point for the public during Vietnam. It’s also relevant to today with what’s happening.
Yes, but no one serving then is serving now. Leadership has cycled many times. I mean, how far do you take this? Can you use events from 200 years ago to claim how a group thinks?
Also culture has changed, the type of people in the service has changed, so much has changed in 50 years. This is ignoring all nuance.
Ah, so you think learning from history is pointless because it’s not happening here and now, gotcha.
… How dishonest.
Learning from history is one thing. Holding people accountable for the actions of others, from before they were even born, is stupid.
But you knew that. You’re just trolling or hate the military too much to think clearly.
But let’s follow your logic. Let’s take actions of people in the past and apply them now. So, given the holocaust I’m assuming you think all present day Germans hate Jews and want them to die? I mean we need to learn from the past right? Just because it’s not happening here and now you can’t ignore it. Right?
How myopic, asinine, and worst of all, willingly ignorant.
Since you have no regard for learning, enjoy doing everything from scratch.
So just insults. No counter point, no logic. Just yelling that I’m wrong and you’re right? How convincing.
If you had any logic to stand on you’d present it. But you don’t. And you’ll find every excuse not to provide any. You know you’re wrong, you’re just too proud to admit it my guy.
People inside rn be like: “Why are some of these people I’m shooting white??.. Ah well.”
Are they allowed on Lemmy? Partially sarcastic
As individuals yes, as representatives of the armed forces? Not likely. Anonymity helps, but I’m sure many would be wary of posting anything contrarian views right now.
Is anybody not allowed on Lemmy? It’s a federated platform
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Anyone who answers this question is doing so at risk to their career. I hope they do either way.
Yeah I know. But I’m curious to know if they support the president even if he decides for a coup. Just curious not american
Some definitely do. The majority may not support it on its face, but will follow orders to a far point.
we would have to get too many chuds in.
but maybe if we put effort into creating some warthunder forum accounts…
Normally they just terrorise brown people, also nice that they don’t have to take a plane to do that now.
How about we ask ‘Americans that are in the National Guard’, too.
i didn’t know the difference since Im not american. Another nicer person let me know and I edited it
I have no horse in this race :)
The fascist armed forces do and they have them trample on protesters.
Let’s face it, who do you think elected the Mr. President?
white boomers, incels, religious fundamentalists and petty tyrants?
As a leftwing incel I find that offensive, the right wing incels give us a bad name
I’ll bite, in what way are left wing incels different? Genuinely curious because I’ve never heard incels split into right vs left before.
I mean an incel is just some one who’s involuntarily celibate, it wasn’t a political thing it used to just be a bunch of awkward guys on the net the BS politics and the insane misogyny all came later.
What’s even funnier is that often being a „good feminist“ can literally lead you to getting no pussy which often drives these people into even more misogyny. I have extreme anxiety talking to people I find attractive and have a very hard time reading people’s body language as to when they’re sexually interested, the only time I’ve ever managed to pick up a random person has been basically when I acted like a pick up artist. It sucks and I hate it but in cis dating (at least where i live) basically all the responsibility is put on the man and it fucking sucks.
The right wing incels don’t get a pass for their shitty politics but being starved of intimacy as an adult human is a form of torture imo and it fucking sucks. Not that men or any person has a right to other people’s bodies but I’m pretty sure if you deprived a bunch of men of any form of sexual intimacy 99% of them would go fucking insane. There is a reason why celibacy was considered a spiritual practice or sacrifice for humans it’s not an easy thing to do or be.
Edit: I mean I’m fine with downvotes but it’s telling that people just click the button instead of actually trying to positively contribute in some way. Cis dating sucks, and dating as a heterosexual man is miserable if you don’t fit into society’s expectations of what a „man“ is. I find it hilarious how leftists will literally have a systematic critique for everything, but when confronted with this issue they’ll just point and laugh at the loser incel men because they deserve what’s happening to them. I’ve met a couple of really nice incels who aren’t reactionary they just find it really difficult to date. Whatever some feminist completely agree with me on this point so I don’t really mind what random internet people say.
I have extreme anxiety talking to people I find attractive and have a very hard time reading people’s body language as to when they’re sexually interested, the only time I’ve ever managed to pick up a random person has been basically when I acted like a pick up artist.
Just ask them, word for word, “do you want to go on a date sometime?” It’s no more anxiety-inducing than anything else, and you don’t have to do any weird pick up artist stuff.
If they are actually interested in you, they’ll say yes.
I don’t like approaching strangers I fucking hate it in fact I’ve been forced to do it my whole life and it literally just feels like work,but I’ve done that plenty of times I always had to be fucking wasted to do it and I just can’t be fucked to drink anymore. There are also other factors that just make men unattractive like being very depressed and being unable to gain employment or hold steady employment. Anyways these are my personal issues other people will probably have different ones.
I’m aware all of this is just in my head but so fucking what lots of people have issues that are just in their heads and still get taken seriously whatever 🤷♂️
Right wing incel is playing video games and acting shitty to women gamers
Don’t forget the overwhelming general apathy towards, and lack of participation in, politics the majority has.
well yeah, if we were organized in collectives and unions to actually push for better policy, it wouldn’t be as much of a problem.
The 9-10 million people who voted for Biden in 2020 and didn’t bother voting in 2024.
edit: fixed date typo
I think you got the wrong year there on the first one
oops thanks, fixed.
“It’s the voters who are wrong, not my genocidal policies”
“Hey why aren’t people voting for me, wait, come back”
“War criminals of lemmy, what do you and your fellow pond scum think about potentially shooting white people for a change?”
Pond scum is an extremely productive microecosystem. I won’t stand for you insulting it by comparing US soldiers to it.
Additionally, gonna hazard a guess that the majority of the protesters aren’t white or at least wouldn’t be considered white by the soldiers regardless of their skin tone. They’re literally protesting white supremacist actions by the government.
😂
A better question is if anybody in the military is on Lemmy
I’m a veteran, no combat service. I was in during President Obama so somewhat recent. I’m past any contract so I can’t get called up. Speaking from some experience though your average enlisted person most likely does not want to deploy or help in LA. They are likely removed about how dumb it is. There might be some who won’t, but you won’t hear about it, they’ll just process them out under “other than honorable” conditions, which maybe is not the worst option given the current admin. To me its a scenario where you would not refuse orders, even though they are dumb and unconstitutional. It would have been hard for me to refuse the current order too, I would be removed the entire time, I know thats not taking a stand. I would do the bare minimum, which is kinda what I expect to happen, extreme low effort but we’ll see. Most comments on the post aren’t wrong, just wanted to point out a general reluctance I do not know what it would take to refuse an order.
They’ve never had any problems with any of the other crimes against humanity they were ordered to do so why start now? They literally think they should be hailed as gods in the US and anyone who doesn’t is a traitor, you think they’d have any qualms about killing protestors when they’ve already been told that they’re anti-US terrorist scum?
It’s literally the exact same tactics the IDF uses. Wonder who Israel learned it from.
Have you talked to anyone in the armed forces? Many of them are there because they grew up poor and in the U.S. joining the military can be a good way to get out of poverty.
Only a tiny fraction actually do any combat and even fewer commit war crimes. The main ones committing “war crimes” is Congress who does things like give weapons to Israel.
The majority of gang members also grew up poor and joined a gang to get out of poverty. Does that make it justified?
Justified is different than calling anyone who tried joining at 18 scum and immediately dismissing them, which is also true for someone who joined a gang at 18
Nice false equivalency
I volunteered for the Army on my birthday They draft the white trash first around here anyway
