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      This image is almost 3 years old already lmao.

      If any libs want to learn how tankies see the future you might want to read about the past for once. Pop history doesn’t count.

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      People are seriously acting like Bin Laden was bait and switched by the US. I somehow remember it differently…

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        …he was, though? We funded the Mujahideen to combat the Soviets in Afghanistan, and then when the USSR collapsed we cut him loose to get all chummy with the Saudi government so we could get that cheap oil.

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    If it was simple mob extortion it would be reasonable. Zelensky originally agreed when he thought the deal would be to pay for American protection.

    But Trump wants the money AND wants Ukraine to surrender. Trump is a stupid mob boss who doesn’t understand why “Pay me and I’ll let the rival gang burn your business.” isn’t going to be accepted.

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    Who would’ve thought the government that installed a far right government in a coup wouldn’t have the best intentions?!

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        I get what you’re saying, but to clarify I was speaking of the 2014 Maidan Coup where the US installed a far-right puppet government.

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          Sure, and Russia had their right-wing coup in 1991, and America is currently doing a self-coup.

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            The US was taken over in a coup when Kennedy was assassinated. We’ve been ruled by the CIA & Mossad ever since.

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              Eh, while they’re part of maintaining the status quo, we’re ruled by capital, and that was true before Kennedy too.

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          And your evidence for the US installing this government is what exactly?

          Let me say this as a westerner - if someone all of a sudden tried to put me in a Putinist puppet state, shit would burn. To the ground.

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    With rare exception (Israel) America can seem downright schizo from administration to administration.

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      This was always Ukraine’s fate.

      The OG coup happened under the Obama admin, the far-right were forced into government under Trump pt I, Ukraine was forced to sell off state assets and take billions in loans by the Biden admin, and now the US is preparing to pick the bones clean over the next decades.

      It’s nice that yall are recognizing that the US isn’t there to help the Ukrainian people now, but we’re all gonna repeat this next war.

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      Not even just changes in administration. The U.S. will often suddenly move on or just decide you will work better as a villain for internal politics. The US basically told Saddam Hussein that we wouldn’t care if he invaded Kuwait only to then use that invasion as justification to make him a boogeyman for the next decade.

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    3 years before they even allowed sale of 3rd party F-16s and a nonstop barrage about how effective the 90s era surplus we sold to Ukraine was gonna magically win the war.

    I got banned from NCD for sharing this sentiment saying that there was literally no outcome where the US would allow Ukraine to join NATO, regardless of the acting government.

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      In some weird way, snuggles and comedy-roasts seem to be the perfect punishment for Trump. Not the easy way out, but humiliation, which is the only thing he is afraid of.

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    based man, I’m so sad about this… hope EU+UA will forge an even more powerful alliance!

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      If Dems didn’t think it was debt then maybe they should have sent weapons gifts instead of weapons loans.

      Gringos might fall for the good cop bad cop shit but the rest of the world has a working memory longer than last month and we know that Dems build the bulldozer and wail when Republicans wreck shit with it.

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        … the rest of the world has a working memory longer than last month …

        i’ve always wondered if this is because of the suffering it’s causes; you remember injuries that others have visited upon you, but you forget them easily if you’re the one causing the injury.

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      Everyone, please report racist comments like these. There’s no need to respond to them.

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          Standard blue maga comment, blaming all the US’s problems on foreigners, and claiming that trump is a “russian dog”, and not a standard white supremacist / imperialist in the tradition of all US presidents.

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            But… How is that racist?

            It might be stupid, but racist? That’s a stretch.