The Ukrainian leader hopes that with the support of Western nations, Kiev can “force Russia into a real peace”
    • Aria@lemmygrad.ml
      16·
      17 days ago

      Nah, Zelensky hasn’t denied something Trump requested of him, he’s carrying out the plan. The USA wants out optically, but they want the war to continue, with EU nations managing it. They couldn’t be happier with him.

  • -6-6-6-@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    6·
    15 days ago

    Shit-libs talking about the sanctity and “conflict-of-interest” of “state-news” but willingly eats up the slop from the State Department about China and the litany of deposed states that function worse than they did after intervention like Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq…list goes on. They’ll gargle up every headline from BBC, NBC, CNN, etc with their “anonymous sources” “Undisclosed Pentagon Official” or the litany of intelligence agents in their midst. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp91-00901r000500050029-0 This was just from the 60s-70s. Did they suddenly stop?

    Acknowledging that you’d rather trust the news of a foreign state, even if it’s directly backed by them over the captured news agencies of the west who controls the global empire of commerce, trade with military bases globally and interventions to put the British Empire to shame gets met with “WhAtAbOuTiSm” and crying about Pootin as if he’s directly bankrolling every person on our instance.

    When Ukraine gets inevitably destroyed, you’ll have half of you decrying that the war ever happened and the other half saying we could have done more but it wasn’t the right time. A liberal is against every war except the current one.

    Anyways, copypasta time:

    я не из калининграда@lemmy.ml (not a native english speaker, I believe) i do not support the current administrations internal actions, as capitalism has brought nothing but injustice, suffering, poverty, crime and corruption. but i absolutely do support its foreign policy, especially regarding the ukrainian question. the putin government has evolved to become one of the most effective anti-imperialist forces on the planet and even if you ignore the terrible nature of the terrorist zelensky-regime one has to be grateful to our military for fighting the biggest enemy of mankind, america.

    so lets detail the happenings that led to the current situation:

    (it may be important to note that the current russian administration pushes a slightly different narrative due to sadly being a right wing state)

    banderite collaborators parading in front of nazi officers the banderites (see picture), members of the fascist “organization of ukrainian nationalists” led by stepan andreyevich bandera were a gang of rapists and murderers who collaborated with the invading german hordes and assisted them by conducting acts of terror against civilians. It is important to note that popular support for them was close to zero. after the victory of the heroic red army, the majority of those parasites fled to the west, predominantly to canada. they received funding from american and british intelligence agencies, which were more than happy to welcome “former” nazis into their own anti-communist ranks. another subset of the banderites remained in the ukrainian ssr and conducted a campaign of terror and sabotage against the civilian population. their bloody deeds were supported by the cia and its european puppet agencies through the so called “operation aerodynamic”.

    referendum on the preservation of the ussr. its results were ignored by the anti-communists

    After the illegal and undemocratic dissolution of the ussr, the leaders of those fascist gangs were glorified by the ukrainian far-right, with support from the cia. efforts to further their “rehabilitation” were primarily directed by nazi expatriates in canada. outlets such as voice of america portrayed them as “heroes”. (aerodynamic, some of these were manufactured in the U.S under Operation Mockingbird like a lot of U.S state dept. bullshit)

    election before cia intervention. this division between neonazi northwest and pro-russian southeast is visible to this day

    in 2004, the west sabotaged the ukrainian presidential elections and installed their puppet, viktor andreyevich yushchenko, through a color revolution. he was a terrible leader, not only dismantling the remaining aspects of the ukrainian economy and managing to make life even more miserable than it already was, but also granting “hero of ukraine” status to banderite leaders and holocaust perpetrators stepan bandera and roman iosifovich shukhevich.

    (not adding picture of 2014 ukrainian nazis since you have already said you believe in that)

    in 2014, america and the west orchestrated another coup, this time not even bothering to hide the involvement of neo-nazis. the new regime perpetrated unspeakable atrocities against the russian population, whom it consideres “subhuman,” as well as against ukrainian anti-fascists. in odessa alone, 39 people were burned alive in the local trade union building.

    those developments led to the revolution in the predominantly russian populated donbass-area and the creation off the donetsk and lugansk peoples republics, as well as the referendum in crimea that led to the peninsula finally rejoining russia. from 2014 till 2022 the majority of humanitarian aid to the donbass republics came from the cprf.

    the reason for the smo is the ukrainian western-aligned nazi regime violating the minsk accords by refusing to demilitarize, trying to join the fascist nato-block and murdering russian civilians for years on end. the russian government showed itself extremely lenient, to lenient even, as any sensible politician would have staged a military intervention much earlier. if you need further proof for the tyrannical nature of the kievan regime just look at the fact that zelenskiy has banned all opposition parties in his country, refuses to hold elections and effectively rules as a military dictator. furthermore he has outlawed the russian language, made any negotiation with the russian state illegal and is currently selling whatever is left of his country to the highest bidder. combine all this with the fact that the west and its puppets need to always be opposed due to them being a cancer of humanity and you’ll get a pretty good picture of why to support the russian military.

    From Davel: No. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.

    Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.

    Also, Ukraine really does have a fascism problem and has for a long time, and the coup government has materially supported it.

  • Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml
    1519·
    16 days ago

    Zelensky knows he’s out as soon as the war ends. He’s going to try to prolong it indefinitely

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      164·
      16 days ago

      Should Ukraine fight to the last Ukrainian? The war is increasingly unpopular, and it doesn’t appear that there’s an ace up Ukraine’s sleeve to turn the tides. The longer the war rages on, the more Ukrainians and Russians die, and the worse Ukraine’s bargaining power becomes.

      If you were in charge of Ukraine right now, what would you do?

      • ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world
        77·
        16 days ago

        When Russia first attacked, everyone thought they would roll over Ukraine in days or weeks… Are you sure a drawn out war isn’t worse for Russia then it is for Ukraine? Every day Ukraine is showing the world that Russia can’t push them around, that’s important when dealing with bullies.

        They should fight until they decide not to fight, I don’t understand why anyone who isn’t Ukrainian thinks they get a say in that decision.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          77·
          16 days ago

          Nobody thought Russia would win in days or weeks, the western framing has been that that was the plan but it failed, but the Russian framing has not been that way. Further, yes, a drawn out war is absolutely worse for Ukraine, Ukraine has been steadily losing ground, the war is increasingly unpopular, and Russia is outproducing NATO in millitary equipment.

          Showing brave defiance doesn’t matter at all if it costs you far more lives for an increasingly unpopular war, at some point you have to circle around to reality and understand that Russia isn’t going to stop until the 4 oblasts are theirs, Kiev stops oppressing ethnic Russians, and Ukraine promises NATO neutrality.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
              71·
              15 days ago

              I’m not a keyboard warrior, lol. I want the war to end, as quickly as possible, with the fewest lives lost as possible. My stance is similar to the Party for Socialism and Liberation’s statement as well as Freedom Road Socialist Organization’s statement. I’m a communist.

              At the end of the day, Russia wants the 4 oblasts, all 4 of which are majority ethnically Russian and want to join Russia. Russia wants Ukrainian neutrality with NATO, because NATO is an alliance of imperialist nations that encircle those that maintain more control over their markets in order to scare them into letting in foreign capital. Russia also wants Ukraine to stop oppressing ethnic Russians. These are not outlandish desires. Further, Russia has the physical means to pursue these aims millitarily, Ukraine doesn’t have the means to stop them.

              Ultimately, a desire to perpetuate the war is a desire to sacrifice more Ukrainians and Russians for what will ultimately be the same end result, for the only “benefit” to the west being more control of Ukrainian resources (the rare Earth deals) as well as more damage to Russia, all at the expense of Ukrainian lives. I don’t see what this accomplishes.

              • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
                44·
                15 days ago

                You don’t want the war to end as quickly as possible, you want Russia to gain territory as quickly as possible. Big difference.

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                  41·
                  15 days ago

                  I think if the areas that seceded from Ukraine that are majority ethnically Russian, that have been shelled and slaughtered by Kiev for a decade, want to join Russia, then that’s okay. That isn’t in conflict with wanting the war to end as quickly as possible, Russia has the means to pursue that aim millitarily whether Kiev agrees to it or not. Russia has no reason to expand beyond the oblasts at this point, it isn’t in this war for extraction, so it seems acceptable to me.

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                  72·
                  15 days ago

                  Why do you think countries choose to go to war? Is it just vibes? An amorphous desire to grab land? Why the 4 oblasts in particular? Why would Russia want to expand beyond them? I gave a clear and coherent summary of events and motives, and you respond with a non-sequitor devoid of analysis. Are you capable of backing up your hypothesis, or is this just a distraction for you to avoid having to engage critically?

      • Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world
        46·
        16 days ago

        Look to my allies for help. Ukraine isn’t in the wrong for defending itself. Russia is the bad guy here.

    • Anarcho-Bolshevik@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      7·
      15 days ago

      hay didja kno putin is like literally genociding like a million uyghurs now. betcha never heard that 1 b4 huh

      wait what do you mean i’m banned???

      Every time.

    • bubblybubbles@lemmy.mlOP
      3225·
      17 days ago

      Ur just parroting what western “media” wants you to. RT doesn’t cave to western narratives so the recourse for western “media” is to slander it as “propaganda”

  • Lettuce eat lettuce@lemmy.ml
    821·
    17 days ago

    Last week I kicked my neighbor’s door open, walked into the living room, and sat down on the floor with a bunch of bags of my stuff.

    They got into a fight with me because they are saying I’m trespassing and a bunch of other crap. They are demanding that I leave their house after cleaning up my mess and taking my stuff back home.

    I generously offered that I could stay permanently in the living room and they could keep the rest of the house, but they are refusing my peace deal! Don’t they realize that I could easily have taken over the whole downstairs, even the whole house? Besides, before their house was built, I used to walk through that empty lot all the time!

    I can’t believe they want to keep fighting and making a worse mess of the living room, so illogical!