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Reason: There’s a political memes community for stuff like thisAlso, all art is political. I dont know if memes are art, but they are the result of a creative process.
Politics isn’t just when you see something you disagree with or something that outright makes a clear political statement. A quick example: Will & Grace, old sitcom, very cute, nothing deep there. Bunch of people were mad about that one because some of the main characters are gay.
Yes, rothko is also politicalTo misquote an aristocraric rapist snitch belowed by liberals: “The opinion that memes should have nothing to do with politics is itself a political attitude” - George Orwell
Here’s the top meme from the comm
It depicts a man and a woman. They have been in a sexual relationship for a long while, yet the man still expresses attraction at the womans naked body, to her annoyance.
Apart from just depicting a heterosexual relationship (and this specific type of relationship) as normal and thus in turn helping normalise it, there are also many other things one could comment on. Gender roles - the man is the active person in this situation. Objectifying women. Other stuff.
“It’s not that deep” the reader will say or “that’s not what they intended!” or “thats not bad though!” and I will agree.
The normalisation of the type of relationship isn’t bad, but something does not have to be bad to be political. We normalise all sorts of things all the time.
And I am sure the author didnt think of these thing when they made the comic. But they are still present because the comic is a product of the author and the author is a product of their culture. The very fact that these things are not considered is due to the politics of the society of the author. Take that same comic strip and publish it in a different society or a different decade and it would be viewed differently.Next meme:
A picture of a drawing of a cat in the medium of snow on a public road. Someone used temporary materials created by the local climate to make public art on a municipal road. There is so much here that is political, I believe the description itself is more than enough to convey that.This was the first meme I saw on the comm:
A single mother commenting on her toddler wishing to help her because she has to do so much due to being a single mother. That is political.
Last one:
Basically just a written conversation. Two tumblr users comment on the form and function of the English language, expressing their frustration. Again, just by describing it I feel like the “politics” (you as a reader should understand that I am not describing the politics, but just some elements which are political. You might consider something else about it “political”.) are readily available by the description.My point is that almost everything in the public sphere is political in some way and will thus be perceived as political by some people. Gamergaters scream about “politics in video games” when the main character is queer, POC or female. They’re not technically incorrect in that those choices are political, they’re just incorrect in the statement that everything else isn’t. Same goes for the memes you see that annoy you due to politics. All the other memes are political as well - Probably. I dont know if memes are art, so there might be some that aren’t, but I dont have an example in mind.
It’s pretty cringe seeing yanks still going on about how voting totally works and how they can still turn the country around through good old fashioned representative democracy. My dudes, wake up. If you can only choose between two options then there is no choice at all. Independents are just there to further the illusion that casting a vote matters. Even if the Dems held power for the next 20 years they still would not stop the border abuses, or create free healthcare, or lower education costs, or regulate the police or do anything to prevent or stop the genocide in Palestine. Look to Obama and Biden, sure they behaved better than Trump but Obama still bombed hospitals and Biden happily ripped apart families and kidnapped children at the border. Accept that you are an evil empire and only your destruction or collapse can lead to a better future, for all of us.
It’s actually impressive that every other comment or two of yours comment history has double digit downvotes.
Go back to reddit
I’m juat incredulous that you think BlueMaga is a real thing.
Go back to reddit
What else would you call “vote blue no matter who” lmao
Not depicted, cool guy smoking cigarettes with thought bubble: “I did nothing to change this but post memes to Lemmy”
It can only be changed by liberals waking up
Really cuz this meme seems to suggest they should sleep through election day
The meme implies we should guillotine powerful people that kill foreign children
That would probably be the most woke thing they could do, if the only alternative to voting democrat is to completely check out.
Thanks for confirming. Get out of my replies
Use the block button, dumbass
Removed by mod
Banned lmao
Why?
there’s more than 2 parties you can vote for and the meme shows why the 2 dominant parties are no different where it matters.
Yep and you can write in your dog’s name too. That as as much chance of changing things.
Because doing the same thing we always do, which is how we’ve come to this point, will definitely change this this time… As opposed to trying literally anything else, which, since we’ve never tried to do it, we can with complete certainty say will not work.
Brilliant reasoning you got there.
I actually think things are uniquely bad right now for my lifetime and were made worse by Ralph nader voters like you
Yes things have been getting worse for a long time now. You know what I’m sure will help? If we keep doing the thing we’ve been doing all the while things have been getting worse.
Which is still far more chance of changing things than you get by voting more power to the people actively opposed to changing anything that benefits their donors.
Except that isn’t true. By ceding your choice, you enable the worse outcome. That’s fine by you thought because really you’re an accelerationist above all else. Hasten the burn, you want to pickup the ashes
Wrong lol
ceding your choice, you enable the worse outcome
The worse outcome is either Wall St fellating warmonger winning . The worse outcome is ShitLibs like you getting their wish to return to the pre-Trump status quo.
you’re an accelerationist above all else.
Thanks for making it so obvious this early on the convo that you don’t know what the words you’re using mean. It’ll save a lot of confusion later
accelerationist
You can tell one of the podcasts or blusky accounts BlueMaga liberals get their talking points from used this term by the way they’ve all started constantly parroting it and usually using it wrong.
There is more to do than just vote. Not voting democrat isn’t the only thing in the world.
Secondly Not voting for a candidate is not “ceding” anything, you are, by definition, not giving them something. In reality “vote blue no matter who” is “ceding your choice”, since you cede all leverage and all reason to consider you when considering popular support for policy positions, since you will vote for them no matter what. You have ceded your vote to them.You are also using accelerationist incorrectly. An accelerationist would vote for the most competent accumulator of capital, since an accelerationist believes this to be the end-point of capitalism and this point must be reached before socialist revolution can happen. They wish to get to that point as quickly as possible. The accelerationist position would most likely lead to a person voting democrat, since they are more competent administrators of empire.
the assumption that you’re ceding your choice or that your choice is going to make a difference is were reality gets disconnected.
the fact of the matter is, we’ve been voting this way for most of a century now and it has already lead us to the same places that your understanding of accelerationism would lead us to anyways – climate change that’s guaranteed to fuck up human civilization; a panopticon powered by AI, financed by genociders, and will keep feeding off your body for the rest of your life like you’re in the matrix; and a ruling epstein class that’s so privileged it can literally publicly flaunt it’s depraved desires to fuck/kill children with zero repercussions.
you should not expect anything to change by voting and history proves that substantial & enduring changes can only comes from us.
still you should vote, even if it’s for your dog, but there are better uses for it. the epstein class assumes that you will vote for one of their approved parties, so cooperating in this system the way they want you to only serves to help validate it at best.
I realize I’m running a foul of approved Lemmy talking points but voting for your dog and persistent at ot forever don’t seem realistic to me
Youre the only one talking about voting for a dog. Youre also the one who’s reducing all political action down to voting.
And you’re also the one who is arguing against “don’t vote democrat” on the basis of “we need to change things”, which seems like the least logical line of reasoning available. By doing the same thing we have done every election so far, by further entrenching the group we wish to replace or reform, we will somehow affect change because… Even though it’s the same people and the same conditions you think it will be different this time?
Actual psychosis.voting on lemmy doesn’t matter – only the stomach you have for questioning your own indoctrination does.
voting for your dog isn’t realistic, but voting for psl or green or communist is realistic and many countries have been doing it for decades and things are much better for their people as result compared to americans.
voting to change anything also isn’t realistic, but mexico proved that it was still possible in 2017 and that’s why they have president shienbaum while we’re stuck with president trump.
No, it just says you need to stay awake the other 729 days of the biannual cycle. You obviously don’t want to do that, so you pretend it says something it doesn’t.
Do I really? You got all that from this short exchange? Interesting.
I’m not getting the “get involved outside of national election cycles” vibe from this meme that you are .
That would be because you don’t want to.
You want to vote for “the good guys” and go back to brunch.
LMAO you already decided how you’re gonna respond and reply this to everyone critical of this very tired “meme”
Not arsed enough to actually go check, but I’m pretty sure you’re the only person I replied to at all,
And if the meme is tired your plaintive whining about “why won’t you all just vote for the blue genocide team so I can check back out” is fucking exhausted.
No they’re responding like this to you because you suck, not because you dared to critique a meme.
Do I really? You got all that from this short exchange? Interesting.
Go back to reddit
Nice one dude
Go back to reddit
ah yes the democrats are just angels
As opposed to them doing the exact same thing as the republicans as depicted in the OP? We’re both exaggerating for effect
“Genocidal monsters are figuratively angles!”
you think the democrats are better because you only care when you are on the receiving end of what your country does to the global south countries every decade since after WW2. You literally do not care about people outside your own country as you don’t consider them humans and would gladly have them die for your own comfort and treats.
Did it feel good to attack that strawman you made up? Let me know when you’re ready for an actual discussion.
Youre depicting Democrats as angels despite all the horrible shit they do. So it is completely reasonable to conclude what they concluded about your position. Thats not what a strawman is, a strawman isn’t just “when you adress the logical conclusions to the other persons statement”.
If youre going to make an attempt at pseudo-intellectual dismissals of other people, at least learn how the fallacy you’re referring to functions.You dont care about people outside of the US. You are a nationalist. Your only fear with regards to politics is experiencing the pain your regime brings upon other countries every day. All of these statements are reasonable assertions based on what you had written so far.
My meme doesn’t specify the angel box is democrats. The point is that people who assume voting does not matter are contributing to the worse outcome happening, which is true. I do have the personal belief that democrats are meaningfully better than republicans on domestic and foreign policy, but no, I do not think they are angels. I think my responses have made that clear and so taking the meme literally over the opinions I have explicitly expressed and argued for is incorrect.
And yes, their argument is a strawman. They wanted to feel good about disagreeing with someone who unpersons foreigners and does not care about people outside of their country, so they decided that’s who I was. This completely ignores very reasonable explanations such as “it’s possible to care about more than one thing at once”. The point of calling their argument a strawman is to express that no, they are not describing my position accurately.
And neither are you. I care about people outside the US. Would it be valid to say you don’t care about people inside the US because you are telling us not to improve our domestic policies? I support the ICC and other extranational oversight measures. Obviously I care about the wellbeing of the US a lot (I live here) but my decisions don’t fail to take the health of other nations into account, so no, I am not a nationalist. Claiming things like “you don’t consider [people outside your own country] humans” is patently ridiculous (honestly it’s straight up libel) when I have not expressed those views. It’s a strawman because they are responding not to what was said, but to what they falsely imagine my beliefs to be.
My meme doesn’t specify the angel box is democrats.
Ah the classic “I’m not touching you!” Defense
My meme doesn’t specify the angel box is democrats.
So the way conversation works is that responses like yours come after statements made by someone else and the responses are made in and viewed in the context of the wider conversation. So when the meme is about Democrats and republicans and you then give it your own little spin with a similar binary, people rightfully conclude you’re saying Democrats are angels. I can empathise that this might be tough when youre a horrible person, like you, who doesn’t get a lot of chances for proper social interaction, so I get you might struggle with the concept. Youre welcome for explaining it to you.
Now, something else people do, is look at what else you are saying and they also use that to understand what you’re trying to illustrate thru an artistic medium. From your other statements it is clear you consider them angels. Which means youre a fascist genocidal cop-loving racist homophobe - even if you say you aren’t - because your actions are ones of running defence for fascist genocidal cop-loving racist homophobes. You know like when your bullies grab your arms and make you punch yourself and they ask you “why are you punching yourself?” youre not really punching yourself - they are, even though they say something different, it is what they are doing that matters.I do have the personal belief that democrats are meaningfully better than republicans on domestic and foreign policy
Sweet, I believe dragons are real but that doesn’t make it so either. In reality dragons dont exist, there is no queen of England and the democrats are as bad domestivally and with foreign policy.
I care about people outside the US.
No, you just say you do. You do not give a fuck about foreigners if you vote for genociders. Especially not when you depict them as angels compared to republicans.
The rest of your screed is just you retreading things that have already been refuted and saying things that are answered by READING THE LINKED TEXT. At this point its clear you’re just trolling, since you dont actually want to discuss things - You dont engage with the text given to you, you ignore what people write, you hide behind misused rhetorics, you fail to engage arguments presented. I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing, I find trolling like what youre attempting to be sad and tiresome. If you just want to troll just post goatse or some lazy one-liner, that way we can all know to dismiss you immediately.
go back to reddit, fash
Surely you can think of a better way to affect meaningful change than sitting in a basement accusing random people online of being fascists. You do realize this is detrimental to your cause?
Then again, maybe you don’t… yeah, probably not. What a waste.
Youre also doing the same, dumbass. You dont think you could be more effective if you went outside instead of sitting here arguing with people who quote clearly will not vote democrat?
Probably not, your people skills suck as does your communication. You’d probably just alienate potential voters.
You do realize this is detrimental to your cause?
What cause? Like getting people who are legitimizing a system that enables, defends and protects genocide into communism?
Then again, maybe you don’t… yeah, probably not. What a waste.
No the democrats are doing the exact same, thats not an exaggeration. They are both committing a genocide.
You are free to believe they are equivalent in spite of the many, many differences. I’m not having this argument again.
Oh wow thank you for allowing me to think things! I have also had this discussion before
They’re the same. They both fuck over minorities, they both increase deportations, they are both warmongers, they both do genocide, they both fuck over the climate, they both fuck over women, they both fuck over queer people, they are both parties full of geriatric genocidal fascist pedophiles.
“Think” might be a strong word if you believe they are equal. If you truly think they are equally bad, why do you continually describe the Democrats as being bad because they allow the Republicans to do bad things? Surely there would be no need to use them as a proxy if both parties are doing equally bad things on their own? You know deep down that the Democrats are a passive evil rather than an active one, don’t pretend you believe they are identical.
Not going to bother responding to this well, but if you want to know my understanding of the situation:
They’re the same.
No
They both fuck over minorities, […] they both fuck over women, they both fuck over queer people,
Tends to be Republicans by a fairly wide margin
they both increase deportations,
See my previous comments in this thread, this is true but I do not believe deportations under Biden have caused as much harm as the ones under Trump.
they are both warmongers,
Again, true but tends to favor Republicans. Obama got the Iran conflict under control until Trump blew it up again, for example.
they both do genocide,
True
they both fuck over the climate,
True, but favors Republicans especially with the complete gutting of the EPA recently.
they are both parties full of geriatric
Yes, in fact the average age is basically identical
genocidal
Yes, although detractors tend to be Democrats as it’s the best party for them
fascist
Same as above, nonfascists always choose the Democratic party. I wonder why?
pedophiles.
HEAVILY favors Republicans.
Conclusion: Democrats are a better choice than republicans, and claiming they are the same is illogical.
“think”
Wowww so uncivil!
Read the link, you’re saying absolutely nothing that hasnt been addressed.
why do you continually describe the Democrats as being bad because they allow the Republicans to do bad things?
When they’re not already doing it themselves it is because the republicans are already doing it for them. Like the crime bill.
If it werent in their interests then they would roll it back or oppose it.The rest, and really this point too, has already been adressed by the link. Im not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing, so I won’t waste more time giving rebuttals to something that is already refuted by the linking of another comment. If you actually want to discuss these things, then do it with the modicum of civility it requires to actually engage with the other. Otherwise you’re just trolling.
many, many differences.
so many differences? give a few examples
LMFAO this is literally the same from an outside perspective. You BLUEmaga people really do only care about decorum and domestic issues in politics. You even admit that Biden wasn’t good. It’s all “lesser evil” for you. And guess what, evil is still evil you fucking idiot.
And who are you saying are angels exactly?
Pictured: Someone voting democrat instead of third party or not voting.
It’s ridiculous that you put voting third party and not voting in the same category. You clearly do not understand the effects of your actions.
No, I do. Not voting and voting third party both work towards eroding the Democratic Party, which is necessary in order for positive change in the us.
Voting third party is incredibly more effective at that because it signals a desire for change rather than just voter apathy
Sure. Not voting for democrats also signals apathy. Voting is miniscule, the real part lies elsewhere.
In what way does voting for a third party candidate signal apathy? It shows you would like a candidate that is not one of the two main parties. Is that not your intention?
Voting is miniscule, the real part lies elsewhere.
What, do you plan on an armed revolution? Seriously?
In what way does voting for a third party candidate signal apathy? It shows you would like a candidate that is not one of the two main parties.
Yes. So it signals apathy with the current system.
What, do you plan on an armed revolution? Seriously?
Because the only thing to do apart from voting once every two years is to bomb the local town hall… Why is it you assume it is either vote or immediate mass organised proletarian uprising?
Do you even FPTP?
Voting third party will not elect a third party candidate yet, but it will more clearly show your desire for change and has a better chance of meaningfully affecting the behavior of the dominant parties or other voters.
Agreed, but it’s only under fairly specific circumstances that it’s effective (i.e. worth it for the rational voter) in such a system. Post-war Britain managed to delete the Liberal party (or maybe just rename) but they ended up in the same boat after a while. If you can’t respect ranked preferences you end up with two big parties that try to represent a bit more than half the country, with all the nuance that allows.
That’s all true, yes. I just think it’s rational to vote third party if you were planning on not voting at all because it has some positive benefits and no real downsides.
Then compile a list of candidates for the masses instead of posting this image. Ain’t no normie gonna go out and research every blue candidate to see if they are a magacrat. Go teach who is good you clod.
Every blue candidate is by definition a “magacrat” whatever that means. The democrats are fascist genociders, voting for a democrat means voting for a fascist genocidal party.
Everyone is Hitler but me!
How about the ~7bil people living outside the empire? Yank brain can’t compute human existence outside the empire
But doesn’t everyone live in default country? Except for terrorists obv.
Idk what you’re even saying, but I get the hint that you’re resorting to Islamophobia, as is tradition for Yankees and Epsteinites
In which case, just know, I go around sometimes go around reinforcing the beliefs of conservatives and further promoting MAGA so the polarisation in your country goes and it collapses sooner.
If you won’t get off your ass and fix your country (whose actions affect the lives of myself and people I care about), then I’ll put effort into causing it to get way worse until it explodes and leaves the rest of us alone. Chop chop
No, the people voting for fascist genociders are fascist genociders - or “Hitler” as you’d say.
Who else are they going to vote for?
Not my problem. If you can’t fix your country, we’ll make it worse until it stops being a problem for the rest of us
Any third party. Or if that isnt viable in your mind then: don’t vote. You dont have to and voting for democrats or republicans does more harm than good.
One is still objectively better than the other.
I dare you to go to Gaza and say that to them.
You’re fine with either as long as no one has the option to vote against crushing orphans.
For white people yeah
And that one has shown that thet absolutely will throw you under the bus if you’re no longer convenient to them. Just look at how eagar democrats were to demonise trans people after they lost in 2024. The democrats are only ‘good’ for white people for now. It won’t take much for them to only be good for the ‘right kind’ of white people in the future.
Correct: The rude one, because he makes more people oppose the child crusher. Happy to hear you also oppose voting democrat
I see one lacking in civility and one lacking in honesty, so I can’t see how one is “objectively better”. Some people favor civility over honesty, and others the other way around.
At best you can say they’re less openly scummy, doing slightly less damage (only domestically of course) while enabling the other side of their tag team to do the dirty work.
The word ‘better’ has no place here. Objectively.
Now do one about USAID.
Both parties my ass.
Not USAID??? Won’t someone please think of the CIA front for regime-change operations?!
Other sources
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2015/04/15/lessons-not-learned-covert-operations-since-the-cold-war/https://www.justsecurity.org/18634/usaid-engage-covert-action-cuba-proper-domestic-legal-authority/
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/04/15/when-is-foreign-aid-meddling
And here’s something about another US program, since we’re already shitting on things
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/occrp-budget-funding-us-government-usaid
You’re just handing out ammo for free.
Clueless libKinda like USAID did for terrorists
USAID wasn’t what you think it was. It was CIA front, and Trump didn’t shut it down so much as move its operations to Marco Rubio’s State Department.
Isn’t that what we all thought it was?
Now do one about USAID.
USA destabilizes a nation through bombing them or funding reactionary rebels and then comes in as the oh-so graceful white saviour of USAID to help the “uncivilized savages” who can not run their own country for some reason
