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      16 hours ago

      Really cuz this meme seems to suggest they should sleep through election day

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        13 hours ago

        That would probably be the most woke thing they could do, if the only alternative to voting democrat is to completely check out.

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        there’s more than 2 parties you can vote for and the meme shows why the 2 dominant parties are no different where it matters.

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          Yep and you can write in your dog’s name too. That as as much chance of changing things.

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            Because doing the same thing we always do, which is how we’ve come to this point, will definitely change this this time… As opposed to trying literally anything else, which, since we’ve never tried to do it, we can with complete certainty say will not work.

            Brilliant reasoning you got there.

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              I actually think things are uniquely bad right now for my lifetime and were made worse by Ralph nader voters like you

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                11 hours ago

                Yes things have been getting worse for a long time now. You know what I’m sure will help? If we keep doing the thing we’ve been doing all the while things have been getting worse.

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            Which is still far more chance of changing things than you get by voting more power to the people actively opposed to changing anything that benefits their donors.

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              Except that isn’t true. By ceding your choice, you enable the worse outcome. That’s fine by you thought because really you’re an accelerationist above all else. Hasten the burn, you want to pickup the ashes

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                ceding your choice, you enable the worse outcome

                The worse outcome is either Wall St fellating warmonger winning . The worse outcome is ShitLibs like you getting their wish to return to the pre-Trump status quo.

                you’re an accelerationist above all else.

                Thanks for making it so obvious this early on the convo that you don’t know what the words you’re using mean. It’ll save a lot of confusion later

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                accelerationist

                You can tell one of the podcasts or blusky accounts BlueMaga liberals get their talking points from used this term by the way they’ve all started constantly parroting it and usually using it wrong.

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                  14 hours ago

                  Never heard that one before. Thank goodness for the Lemmy and it’s deep well of right-think. You can truly find a diverse set of opinions here

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                There is more to do than just vote. Not voting democrat isn’t the only thing in the world.
                Secondly Not voting for a candidate is not “ceding” anything, you are, by definition, not giving them something. In reality “vote blue no matter who” is “ceding your choice”, since you cede all leverage and all reason to consider you when considering popular support for policy positions, since you will vote for them no matter what. You have ceded your vote to them.

                You are also using accelerationist incorrectly. An accelerationist would vote for the most competent accumulator of capital, since an accelerationist believes this to be the end-point of capitalism and this point must be reached before socialist revolution can happen. They wish to get to that point as quickly as possible. The accelerationist position would most likely lead to a person voting democrat, since they are more competent administrators of empire.

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                    12 hours ago

                    Try engaging with the text. It will, at least, allow you to make a dunk people actually appreciate. Though I understand it can be scary to get challenged and have to think about things.

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                the assumption that you’re ceding your choice or that your choice is going to make a difference is were reality gets disconnected.

                the fact of the matter is, we’ve been voting this way for most of a century now and it has already lead us to the same places that your understanding of accelerationism would lead us to anyways – climate change that’s guaranteed to fuck up human civilization; a panopticon powered by AI, financed by genociders, and will keep feeding off your body for the rest of your life like you’re in the matrix; and a ruling epstein class that’s so privileged it can literally publicly flaunt it’s depraved desires to fuck/kill children with zero repercussions.

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                  Chastising people because they voted one of the two viable options is self defeating bullshit. And drawing larger conclusions about them is wrong. Always get roped in the same tired argument on Lemmy

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                    12 hours ago

                    “self defeating”: hey maybe don’t vote for people committing genocide

                    Not “self defeating”: WE HAVE TO VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS ALWAYS AND FOREVER NO MATTER WHAT AND ALL THERE IS TO DO IS VOTE THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO BE DONE A BETTER WORLD IS IMPOSSIBLE

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                    the meme is pointing out the willful ignorance induced blindspot that liberal smugness makes impossible to address – the same willful ignorance that makes this meme feel like it’s doing nothing more chastising.

                    and these conversations are necessary since history has already proven that we keep doing the same thing over and over again and we keep getting the same results – yet americans chose to ignore history and have fooled themselves into believing that we can continue to keep doing the same thing anyways.

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            you should not expect anything to change by voting and history proves that substantial & enduring changes can only comes from us.

            still you should vote, even if it’s for your dog, but there are better uses for it. the epstein class assumes that you will vote for one of their approved parties, so cooperating in this system the way they want you to only serves to help validate it at best.

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              I realize I’m running a foul of approved Lemmy talking points but voting for your dog and persistent at ot forever don’t seem realistic to me

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                Youre the only one talking about voting for a dog. Youre also the one who’s reducing all political action down to voting.

                And you’re also the one who is arguing against “don’t vote democrat” on the basis of “we need to change things”, which seems like the least logical line of reasoning available. By doing the same thing we have done every election so far, by further entrenching the group we wish to replace or reform, we will somehow affect change because… Even though it’s the same people and the same conditions you think it will be different this time?
                Actual psychosis.

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                  I’m not arguing any of those things. I’m saying this meme is dumb, and most of the responses telling me how actually it’s really deep, are also dumb. Because they reduce down to “voting for your dog is just as good” and the guy you’re defending who is replying to me actually agrees with me. Take a deep breath

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                    You know we can read your previous comments, right? So we can see you say other stuff than “this meme is dumb”. Stuff like “you might as well vote for your dog”. It seems pretty clear you struggle with basic communication, but at least try to keep a hold of what you yourself have said. That much should be doable.

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                voting on lemmy doesn’t matter – only the stomach you have for questioning your own indoctrination does.

                voting for your dog isn’t realistic, but voting for psl or green or communist is realistic and many countries have been doing it for decades and things are much better for their people as result compared to americans.

                voting to change anything also isn’t realistic, but mexico proved that it was still possible in 2017 and that’s why they have president shienbaum while we’re stuck with president trump.

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                    only if you refuse to educate yourself on what it means.

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                    Hey bud, how about trying to respond to the person with whom you were engaged in a conversation, instead of retreating to your safe space of low effort dunks the second you feel intellectually threatened?

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        No, it just says you need to stay awake the other 729 days of the biannual cycle. You obviously don’t want to do that, so you pretend it says something it doesn’t.

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          Do I really? You got all that from this short exchange? Interesting.

          I’m not getting the “get involved outside of national election cycles” vibe from this meme that you are .

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            That would be because you don’t want to.

            You want to vote for “the good guys” and go back to brunch.

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              LMAO you already decided how you’re gonna respond and reply this to everyone critical of this very tired “meme”

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                Not arsed enough to actually go check, but I’m pretty sure you’re the only person I replied to at all,

                And if the meme is tired your plaintive whining about “why won’t you all just vote for the blue genocide team so I can check back out” is fucking exhausted.

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                  No, it’s because you suck! If you’re gonna criticize my ms paint you do it on my terms! LMFAO are u for real

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                    I appreciated the MS paint aspect. This comment of yours is shit though, “i know what you are, but what am I?” your childhood bullies would be disappointed you hadn’t learned better trash talk from when they picked on you.

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            Do I really? You got all that from this short exchange? Interesting.

            Go back to reddit