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      The US doesn’t make war to win or lose. It makes war in order to fund the weapons’ industry’s oligarchs with unlimited public money

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        While that is absolutely the case, the problem they have here is that they don’t control escalatory dominance. Typically, the US can dial things up or down as convenient, and if things get too spicy they can leave without any consequence. But here, Iran controls a choke point of the global economy, and leaving would have disastrous geopolitical consequences for the US. If they’re forced to abandon all their vassals in the Gulf, then their image as a world power collapses overnight. How can Europe, occupied Korea, or Japan credibly think that the US will defend them at that point?

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          How can Europe, occupied Korea, or Japan credibly think that the US will defend them at that point?

          It’s disturbing if they currently think US will defend them, when all defenses are moved to Israel today, and Trump shifts from “not our problem, we should leave” and “permanent global economy destruction”, and delaying “permanent global destruction” while Israel pursues it anyway. Furthermore, pursuing the Israel genocide expansion plan makes US angry at low enthusiasm level of its colonies to join, and promises “bad future” for its allies.

          If they’re forced to abandon all their vassals in the Gulf, then their image as a world power collapses overnight.

          That is most likely outcome. Of the $200B funding request bill, as much as $50B is expected as earmark to allies reparations other than Israel. Unclear that congress will go along with any funds for them.

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            Right, I really can’t see how the US can win this war or even exit it with any sort of dignity. It’s a massive geopolitical humiliation.

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      We get to pay for that.

      Can we even build these planes anymore? The C-17 was produced by McDonald Douglas, a company that went bankrupt back in '97 and had to be acquired by Boeing. Now Boeing is way behind on orders, because they’ve outsourced themselves to the hilt in the same way that ruined Douglas.

      This isn’t just an issue of the fiscal costs. The US literally cannot produce airliners reliably anymore. Boeing is increasingly just booking orders it cannot fulfill. Even if Hegseth gets a blank check from the Treasury, this equipment isn’t going to be replaced any time soon.

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      Americans have wanted to invade Iran going back to the Reagan administration. Trump’s just so zooted up on his own supply that he thought he could make it happen.

      That’s okay, though. We’re going to invade Cuba next. We can stop blaming Zionists and point the finger squarely at Florida Billionaires going forward.

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    It feels like Iran is exposing the traditional US military as a bit of a paper tiger unless you count nukes. I’m sure I’m at least kinda wrong, but that’s the vibe I’m getting

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          I don’t know if this info is even available. But I would be extremely curious to see if trans soldiers were concentrated in any particular positions or areas of the military.

          I imagine the military readiness of the average trans soldier was probably far above average. It’s not like the military or military culture was ever some utopia for trans people. I’m sure every trans soldier or sailor had to deal with a whole lot of shit related to their gender. To be willing to put up with that, they would have to really like and be passionate about their job. To rise in the ranks in the face of bigotry, they would have to be quite skilled at their job. Marginalized minority groups usually need to work twice as hard to produce the same career outcomes as their non-marginalized peers.

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          They got rid of their best damn F35 wrench in the marines I can tell you that for sure

          he left back in 2015. he was republican, but he didn’t want to reup to serve under trump for some reason.

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      The US military is shit, always was, always knew.
      Only difference is they can’t hide it in this case.

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      We may just be in an era where things swing in the direction of cheap mass armies rather than expensive elite fighting units. Think knights vs longbows. Sometimes the technology of the day favors small numbers of very expensive fighters, vehicles, and weapons. Sometimes the tech favors large numbers of cheap weapons. Cheap longbowman beat out expensive elite armored knights. Elite gun-toting marksmen and mercenaries eventually replaced the longbow armies. The mass gunpowder armies of the Napoleonic era replaced the elite mercenary armies that came before that. In the twentieth century, tanks, machine guns, and aircraft overcame masses of soldiers charging trenches with cheap rifles.

      It’s not necessarily some moral failing of the nations involved. We may simply be seeing the technology evolve. Expensive aircraft that cost hundreds of millions are the modern day equivalent of knights, while cheap drones are the equivalent of the hoards of English longbowmen. An individual knight could easily defeat a single longbowman in combat. But bows were so cheap you could deploy them by the thousands. A modern fighter jet will laugh in the face of a cheap drone. But if the jet costs as much as a thousand drones put together, spamming drones becomes the winning tactic.

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      Whatever the case, I am sure it will be short lived. Assuming the adults are put back in control.

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      This is the first time the US actually tried to fight a technologically advanced army since WW2, and the results are frankly embarrassing.

        • Iraq was nothing like Iran. Iraq is a small country, with a small population and a small military industry. Iran is far more advanced and capable, and it also had more time to prepare both strategically and technologically.

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          Iraq had mostly 70s tech, and the US did manage to break their army initially and topple the government. It was a disaster in strategic terms, but Iraqi regular army was no match for the US. This time around, Iran actually appears to have the upper hand. They’ve pushed out the US out of their bases across the region, destroyed billions if not trillions in the infrastructure that the US built up over many decades, and they’re eliminating American air power which was thought to be untouchable. This is truly unprecedented.