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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 days ago

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 days ago
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  • Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Doesn’t this apply to almost every country?

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      Does that make it ok?

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      projecting lol

      Americans are always amazed that different countries have different histories.

      I’ve heard similar things about “aren’t all countries founded on native genocide?”

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        Ok tell me about the country with the moral founding.

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          Founded by capitalists that kept children as sex slaves — Doesn’t this apply to almost every country?

          Ok tell me about the country with the moral founding.

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          Vietnam.

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          This silly, idealist question isn’t the gotcha you think it is.

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            Actually it’s pretty foundational anarchist doctrine.

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              Idealism?

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                I guess?

                But I was referring to the innate immorality of the state.

                But I won’t deny a certain amount of idealism is required to be an anarchist.

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                  Just to be clear, by idealism we mean the conception that thought is prior to matter, ie supernatural explanations for material phenomena. We do not mean having ideals. An example of idealism is ascribing a morality to the state to begin with. There is no such thing as a supernatural “good or evil,” and that’s why Marxists reject such frames of argument.

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                  Are you sure you understand what idealism means in this context?

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                    I’ll assume the typical leftist political context of it’s use implying an ‘aspirational’ view of my fellow humans they would often fall short of due to material concerns.

                    But? Nah who would ever claim certainty in this type of casual anonymous interlingual forum?

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              Christianity is anarchist doctrine?

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                Christianity is whatever we want it to be.

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              You’re bolstering my case, given anarchism’s track record. Communism is founded on historical materialism, not on morality or idealism.

              But you don’t have to subscribe to communism to get value out of letting go of moralism.

              • 📖 The Moral Fool: A Case for Amorality
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                • Why Sam Harris is Wrong - A Critique of Sam Harris’ “The Moral Landscape”
                • If Morality Exists Everything Is Permitted. (Q&A)
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                Cool nobody asked.

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                  just because you lack any inquisitiveness on your part, don’t assume the same for everyone else

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      certainly true for capitalist ones

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