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    still better than reddit imo; atleast here, they just block you.

    … and then turn around to complain that there’s no content while refusing to accept that they’ve effectively blocked most of the content creators in doing so. lol

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    So I keep hearing stuff about piefed and find myself asking: Why does anyone care? There’s millions of idiots on the internet and thousands on lemmy instances, what makes piefed so special? Half to 2/3 of .world are at the political kids’ table as it is.

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      Because the piefed social credit score makes it more difficult to bring the people from the political kids table to the political adult table (those anti-communists basically are recreating reddit to keep the “masses” uneducated)

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      Well turns out if you don’t make constant hate posts against platforms like Piefed a bunch of dumb Liberals will believe the Piefed hate posts.

      Liberals are in a never ending “Tankie reee” shit slinging contest and they are used to not receiving anything back.

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    Social democrats who live in reality: The Democrats are better than Republicans.

    Lemmy Communists: Liberal!!!

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      Social democrats The moderate wing of fascism who live in reality on imperial plunder: The Democrats are better than Republicans.

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        You can guarantee yourself Hitler, or you can pragmatically choose Hindenburg and give your country a chance.

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          No actually, because despite what so many libs here seems to believe for some reason Hitler didn’t win the election, Hindenburg won, then he proceeded to appoint Hitler as chancellor and let Hitler use the position to make himself a dictator.

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          Or, maybe, you could actively resist the system that gets you Hitler no matter who you vote for through direct action and organizing?

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                “Voting against the Nazi’s didn’t work for Germans, so let’s just try letting the Nazi’s win from the get-go”

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                I’d say Trump isn’t much better, but the Gaza Peace Plan is an improvement over the status quo from before. But the parallels between Trump and Hitler are far stronger than between Biden and Hitler, especially on domestic policy.

                I’m not faulting people for not voting in 2024, Trump was more of a wildcard than Biden. Voting Biden in guaranteed a continued genocide but nobody knew what Trump would do.

                Trump is an exception to the Republican rule, his foreign policy is very idiosyncratic and his domestic policy is more mask-off (metaphorically, not literally). The Republican party behind him is more uniform in their unconditional support for Israel. The Democrat party is fractured on that front and broadly (though not unanimously) united against the most murderous of Trump’s domestic policies.

                Maybe abstaining or voting third-party will incite a communist revolution, I don’t know, but right now more people are dying than would under a Democrat senate majority and I don’t see them being able to make things worse in Gaza (and they’re not really ideologically pro-genocide, they just don’t care as long as they have access to Israeli military bases).

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                  This logic works if you see non-Americans as Untermenschen. But if you don’t then Trumps sheer incompetence is the lesser evil for the world.

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              You wouldn’t really be getting more time though. Fascism is capitalism self-preservation response, if you started successfully mass-organizing under Hindenburg, the state would start putting in a lot of the same policies Hitler did later on. You need to act decisively and with enough force to overpower the state. Mind you, it’s not exactly like the means the Nazis seized power was especially legitimate.

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            After skimming wikipedia, yes. I’m also aware of what would’ve happened if Hitler was elected instead.

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                  And you “know” that how? A minute ago you literally didn’t know who won the election, now you’re claiming knowledge of alternative realities?

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                  You’re acting like the nazis were waiting to be given power legitimately when they in fact abolished any democracy the moment they were able to get away with it. The timeline here wasn’t driven by “can hitler get enough votes to win”, hitler took power however he could (he didn’t win the vote) and abolished voting as soon as he was able. I don’t know why you think that voting against the people who plan to abolish the right to vote will do anything, they literally openly do not respect the practice or the outcomes of votes. Politically, you are staring at the shadows on the wall of Plato’s cave and getting mad at people asking you to actually exit the cave and do something that might have an effect against fascists.

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          I almost upvoted this because I thought it was a really funny joke. Liberalism is washed.

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      Communists who are blessed and cursed with pattern recognition: the Democrats and Republicans are part of the same omnicidal capitalist machine, and neither has any interest in changing the increasingly unbearable status quo.

      If you want to talk about “reality”, you’ll quickly find yourself ostracized by Democrat supporters. Free Palestine.

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        The oligarchs who own America are not a monolith, nor is congress. The Democrats and Republicans are in reality, slightly different.

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          slightly different

          Even you have reached the point where you can’t confidently affirm their differences anymore and are reduced to having to add diminutive adjectives in front to prevent yourself from getting called out for saying something that is obviously false. You’re out there fighting for the scraps left of your “argument” after we tore it to shreds, it’s frankly pathetic. And pretty funny to me so please by all means do go on.

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            Do you honestly believe “the Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same”. Do you not accept that the abortion policy of the Democrats is better, for example?

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              When have the Democrats actually defended abortion? They’ve had plenty of opportunities to codify it as a right, but they don’t actually want to do that. Their abortion policy is worse than Republicans because they’re dishonest about wanting to protect it, while the Republicans are honest about being assholes who don’t believe women should have rights.

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              You mean the one where they let the Republicans repeal Roe v Wade without doing anything about it despite their candidate being president? That one? In that case please do forgive me as it’s obviously very different! If it had been a Republican Roe v Wade would have been overturned, but thanks to the Democrats Roe v Wade has been overturned but at least a democrat was president! Soooo much better!

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      There is no propaganda so unbelievable that liberals won’t unquestioningly eat up about the DPRK.

      The BBC and other western media rags for years have been posting articles like: “Kim jong un makes people eat shoes now”, and you all just nod your heads in unquestioning assent.

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      The DPRK is a socialist country, that more than any other has been the subject of constant misinformation and mythologizing in the west. It’s the single most misunderstood state on the planet. No, it isn’t some utopia, but it instead is a real country with real people living their lives. It isn’t Mordor.

      The Black Panther Party famously supported the DPRK, as do many African countries for the DPRK’s role in African liberation movements in the 20th century. Cuba maintains friendly ties. More than anything, it’s been mythologized about to the point of absurdity.

      The problem with reporting on the DPRK is that information is extremely limited on what is actually going on there, at least in the English language (much can be read in Korean, Mandarin, Russian, and even Spanish). Most reports come from defectors, and said defectors are notoriously dubious in their accounts, something the WikiPedia page on Media Coverage of North Korea spells out quite clearly. These defectors are also held in confined cells for around 6 months before being released to the public in the ROK, in… unkind conditions, and pressured into divulging information. Additionally, defectors are paid for giving testemonials, and these testimonials are paid more the more severe they are. From the Wiki page:

      Felix Abt, a Swiss businessman who lived in the DPRK, argues that defectors are inherently biased. He says that 70 percent of defectors in South Korea are unemployed, and selling sensationalist stories is a way for them to make a living.

      Side note: there is a great documentary on the treatment of DPRK defectors titled Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul, which interviews DPRK defectors and laywers legally defending them, if you’re curious. I also recommend My Brothers and Sisters in the North, a documentary made by a journalist from the Republic of Korea that was stripped of her citizenship for making this documentary humanizing the people in the DPRK.

      Because of these issues, there is a long history of what we consider legitimate news sources of reporting and then walking back stories. Even the famous “120 dogs” execution ended up to have been a fabrication originating in a Chinese satirical column, reported entirely seriously and later walked back by some news outlets. The famous “unicorn lair” story ended up being a misunderstanding:

      In fact, the report is a propaganda piece likely geared at shoring up the rule of Kim Jong Eun, North Korea’s young and relatively new leader, said Sung-Yoon Lee, a professor of Korean studies at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. Most likely, North Koreans don’t take the report literally, Lee told LiveScience.

      “It’s more symbolic,” Lee said, adding, “My take is North Koreans don’t believe all of that, but they bring certain symbolic value to celebrating your own identify, maybe even notions of cultural exceptionalism and superiority. It boosts morale.”

      These aren’t tabloids, these are mainstream news sources. NBC News reported the 120 dogs story. Same with USA Today. The frequently reported concept of “state-mandated haircut styles”, as an example, also ended up being bogus sensationalism. People have made entire videos going over this long-running sensationalist misinformation, why it exists, and debunking some of the more absurd articles. As for Radio Free Asia, it is US-government founded and funded. There is good reason to be skeptical of reports sourced entirely from RFA about geopolitical enemies of the US Empire.

      Sadly, some people end up using outlandish media stories as an “acceptable outlet” for racism. By accepting uncritically narratives about “barbaric Koreans” pushing trains, eating rats, etc, it serves as a “get out of jail free” card for racists to freely agree with narratives devoid of real evidence.

      It’s important to recognize that a large part of why the DPRK appears to be insular is because of UN-imposed sanctions, helmed by the US Empire. It is difficult to get accurate information on the DPRK, but not impossible; Russia, China, and Cuba all have frequent interactions and student exchanges, trade such as in the Rason special economic zone, etc, and there are videos released onto the broader internet from this.

      In fact, many citizens who flee the DPRK actually seek to return, and are denied by the ROK. Even BBC is reporting on a high-profile case where a 95 year old veteran wishes to be buried in his homeland, sparking protests by pro-reunification activists in the ROK to help him go home in his final years.

      Finally, it’s more unlikely than ever that the DPRK will collapse. The economy was estimated by the Bank of Korea (an ROK bank) to have grown by 3.7% in 2024, thanks to increased trade with Russia. The harshest period for the DPRK, the Arduous March, was in the 90s, and the government did not collapse then. That was the era of mass statvation thanks to the dissolution of the USSR and horrible weather disaster that made the already difficult agricultural climate of northern Korea even worse. Nowadays food is far more stable and the economy is growing, collapse is highly unlikely.

      What I think is more likely is that these trends will continue. As the US Empire’s influence wanes, the DPRK will increase trade and interaction with the world, increasing accurate information and helping grow their economy, perhaps even enabling some form of reunification with the ROK. The US Empire leaving the peninsula is the number 1 most important task for reunification, so this is increasingly likely as the US Empire becomes untenable.

      Nodutdol, an anti-imperialist group of Korean expats, released a toolkit on better understanding the situation in Korea. This is more like homework, though. I also recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance for learning about the DPRK’s democratic structure.

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        Sadly, some people end up using outlandish media stories as an “acceptable outlet” for racism.

        It’s the guy addressing a crowd from a hill meme.

        “Who wants to hear the most racist thing that’s ever been said out loud?”

        crowd boos, pitchforks come out

        …“About north Korea?”

        crowd cheers, throws confetti

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        “Traitor´s Guide to North Korea” by Morten Traavik is a really good starting point for liberals to get a viewpoint from a westerner about this country :) i can highly recommend it. It´s from an artist´s point of view and demystifying the country. E.g. this dude took a Discoball around the country to take pictures because it´s fun and north koreans are… shocker… people.

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      I remember being like you and thinking it was the most “wacky, crazy, evil” country in the world based on a bunch of YouTube videos, reddit threads and dubiously sourced Cracked listicles. Man, I thought I was so smart.

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        When you really think about it, why do people in the west even feel the need to have an opinion (especially negative) about the DPRK? All the propaganda is so obviously an attempt to manufacture consent to massacre Koreans again as well as to distract from any problems at home.

        I think you answered this actually, it makes them feel smart. The underlying emotional cause is a sense of superiority they get to feel towards the evil eastern “regime” (which is just repackaged colonial racism, in the end), which allows them to feel better about their own lot in life. It’s the white man’s burden.

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      While I don’t personally uphold them, they’re arguably the easiest of all the “AES” countries to make a case for.