No actually, because despite what so many libs here seems to believe for some reason Hitler didn’t win the election, Hindenburg won, then he proceeded to appoint Hitler as chancellor and let Hitler use the position to make himself a dictator.
I’d say Trump isn’t much better, but the Gaza Peace Plan is an improvement over the status quo from before. But the parallels between Trump and Hitler are far stronger than between Biden and Hitler, especially on domestic policy.
I’m not faulting people for not voting in 2024, Trump was more of a wildcard than Biden. Voting Biden in guaranteed a continued genocide but nobody knew what Trump would do.
Trump is an exception to the Republican rule, his foreign policy is very idiosyncratic and his domestic policy is more mask-off (metaphorically, not literally). The Republican party behind him is more uniform in their unconditional support for Israel. The Democrat party is fractured on that front and broadly (though not unanimously) united against the most murderous of Trump’s domestic policies.
Maybe abstaining or voting third-party will incite a communist revolution, I don’t know, but right now more people are dying than would under a Democrat senate majority and I don’t see them being able to make things worse in Gaza (and they’re not really ideologically pro-genocide, they just don’t care as long as they have access to Israeli military bases).
Trump is an exception to the Republican rule, not for his incompetence but for his unpredictability.
And the domestic policy of the Republicans effects the rest of the world too. Climate change is a big one, Trump would never pass the “inflation reduction act” and as much as that bill had flaws it did contribute to renewable energy in the United States. Trump also cut USAID and while that funding probably wouldn’t come back under the Democrats, it is yet another example of how non-Americans were hurt by his actions.
You wouldn’t really be getting more time though. Fascism is capitalism self-preservation response, if you started successfully mass-organizing under Hindenburg, the state would start putting in a lot of the same policies Hitler did later on. You need to act decisively and with enough force to overpower the state. Mind you, it’s not exactly like the means the Nazis seized power was especially legitimate.
You’re acting like the nazis were waiting to be given power legitimately when they in fact abolished any democracy the moment they were able to get away with it. The timeline here wasn’t driven by “can hitler get enough votes to win”, hitler took power however he could (he didn’t win the vote) and abolished voting as soon as he was able. I don’t know why you think that voting against the people who plan to abolish the right to vote will do anything, they literally openly do not respect the practice or the outcomes of votes. Politically, you are staring at the shadows on the wall of Plato’s cave and getting mad at people asking you to actually exit the cave and do something that might have an effect against fascists.
Communists who are blessed and cursed with pattern recognition: the Democrats and Republicans are part of the same omnicidal capitalist machine, and neither has any interest in changing the increasingly unbearable status quo.
If you want to talk about “reality”, you’ll quickly find yourself ostracized by Democrat supporters. Free Palestine.
Even you have reached the point where you can’t confidently affirm their differences anymore and are reduced to having to add diminutive adjectives in front to prevent yourself from getting called out for saying something that is obviously false. You’re out there fighting for the scraps left of your “argument” after we tore it to shreds, it’s frankly pathetic. And pretty funny to me so please by all means do go on.
Do you honestly believe “the Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same”. Do you not accept that the abortion policy of the Democrats is better, for example?
When have the Democrats actually defended abortion? They’ve had plenty of opportunities to codify it as a right, but they don’t actually want to do that. Their abortion policy is worse than Republicans because they’re dishonest about wanting to protect it, while the Republicans are honest about being assholes who don’t believe women should have rights.
You mean the one where they let the Republicans repeal Roe v Wade without doing anything about it despite their candidate being president? That one? In that case please do forgive me as it’s obviously very different! If it had been a Republican Roe v Wade would have been overturned, but thanks to the Democrats Roe v Wade has been overturned but at least a democrat was president! Soooo much better!
Social democrats who live in reality: The Democrats are better than Republicans.
Lemmy Communists: Liberal!!!
Social democracy literally is a form of liberalism though
By that logic, Hindenburg was “better” than Hitler, but choosing one still got you the other in the end.
You can guarantee yourself Hitler, or you can pragmatically choose Hindenburg and give your country a chance.
No actually, because despite what so many libs here seems to believe for some reason Hitler didn’t win the election, Hindenburg won, then he proceeded to appoint Hitler as chancellor and let Hitler use the position to make himself a dictator.
Or, maybe, you could actively resist the system that gets you Hitler no matter who you vote for through direct action and organizing?
Yeah, but maybe give yourself more time to do that by, for example, not electing Hitler.
Lol. Not beating the historically illiterate accusation
“Voting against the Nazi’s didn’t work for Germans, so let’s just try letting the Nazi’s win from the get-go”
You’re the one arguing to vote for Nazis
Remind me why the Democrats had the nicknames “Genocide Joe” and “Holocaust Harris”
I’d say Trump isn’t much better, but the Gaza Peace Plan is an improvement over the status quo from before. But the parallels between Trump and Hitler are far stronger than between Biden and Hitler, especially on domestic policy.
I’m not faulting people for not voting in 2024, Trump was more of a wildcard than Biden. Voting Biden in guaranteed a continued genocide but nobody knew what Trump would do.
Trump is an exception to the Republican rule, his foreign policy is very idiosyncratic and his domestic policy is more mask-off (metaphorically, not literally). The Republican party behind him is more uniform in their unconditional support for Israel. The Democrat party is fractured on that front and broadly (though not unanimously) united against the most murderous of Trump’s domestic policies.
Maybe abstaining or voting third-party will incite a communist revolution, I don’t know, but right now more people are dying than would under a Democrat senate majority and I don’t see them being able to make things worse in Gaza (and they’re not really ideologically pro-genocide, they just don’t care as long as they have access to Israeli military bases).
This logic works if you see non-Americans as Untermenschen. But if you don’t then Trumps sheer incompetence is the lesser evil for the world.
Trump is an exception to the Republican rule, not for his incompetence but for his unpredictability.
And the domestic policy of the Republicans effects the rest of the world too. Climate change is a big one, Trump would never pass the “inflation reduction act” and as much as that bill had flaws it did contribute to renewable energy in the United States. Trump also cut USAID and while that funding probably wouldn’t come back under the Democrats, it is yet another example of how non-Americans were hurt by his actions.
You wouldn’t really be getting more time though. Fascism is capitalism self-preservation response, if you started successfully mass-organizing under Hindenburg, the state would start putting in a lot of the same policies Hitler did later on. You need to act decisively and with enough force to overpower the state. Mind you, it’s not exactly like the means the Nazis seized power was especially legitimate.
are you aware of what happened when hindenburg was elected
After skimming wikipedia, yes. I’m also aware of what would’ve happened if Hitler was elected instead.
Literally exactly the same thing?
The exact same thing, but faster and with less uncertainty.
And you “know” that how? A minute ago you literally didn’t know who won the election, now you’re claiming knowledge of alternative realities?
So basically no difference.
You’re acting like the nazis were waiting to be given power legitimately when they in fact abolished any democracy the moment they were able to get away with it. The timeline here wasn’t driven by “can hitler get enough votes to win”, hitler took power however he could (he didn’t win the vote) and abolished voting as soon as he was able. I don’t know why you think that voting against the people who plan to abolish the right to vote will do anything, they literally openly do not respect the practice or the outcomes of votes. Politically, you are staring at the shadows on the wall of Plato’s cave and getting mad at people asking you to actually exit the cave and do something that might have an effect against fascists.
I almost upvoted this because I thought it was a really funny joke. Liberalism is washed.
Communists who are blessed and cursed with pattern recognition: the Democrats and Republicans are part of the same omnicidal capitalist machine, and neither has any interest in changing the increasingly unbearable status quo.
If you want to talk about “reality”, you’ll quickly find yourself ostracized by Democrat supporters. Free Palestine.
The oligarchs who own America are not a monolith, nor is congress. The Democrats and Republicans are in reality, slightly different.
Even you have reached the point where you can’t confidently affirm their differences anymore and are reduced to having to add diminutive adjectives in front to prevent yourself from getting called out for saying something that is obviously false. You’re out there fighting for the scraps left of your “argument” after we tore it to shreds, it’s frankly pathetic. And pretty funny to me so please by all means do go on.
Do you honestly believe “the Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same”. Do you not accept that the abortion policy of the Democrats is better, for example?
The abortion policy of the Democrats is to roll over for the Republicans
When have the Democrats actually defended abortion? They’ve had plenty of opportunities to codify it as a right, but they don’t actually want to do that. Their abortion policy is worse than Republicans because they’re dishonest about wanting to protect it, while the Republicans are honest about being assholes who don’t believe women should have rights.
You mean the one where they let the Republicans repeal Roe v Wade without doing anything about it despite their candidate being president? That one? In that case please do forgive me as it’s obviously very different! If it had been a Republican Roe v Wade would have been overturned, but thanks to the Democrats Roe v Wade has been overturned but at least a democrat was president! Soooo much better!