There is this guy I like, I have reason to think he may like me too but we’re both playing dumb, or maybe I’m just imagining it all.

Yes, that’s how immature I am. Now please help me.

We’ve known each other for years and we seem to get close to each other, then we take distance, then close again, repeat, repeat, repeat.

I’m terrified of losing him as a friend for trying to be more than just that. I’ve already lost people for showing my interest and I’ve also had to burn the bridge with guys who wouldn’t give me space or kept hitting up on me repeatedly. This happens.

I would like to create a consistent, regular conversation going on. I’m afraid of overwhelming him so I don’t even know what’s a good frequency to reach out.

Personally the biggest challenge for me is finding ways to deepen our conversations. Things tend to stay pretty much on the surface most of the time, even though we can talk of almost any topic openly. Another barrier is our very different interests, we have almost no shared media in common (different music, different shows watched/liked, different videogames liked etc).

Usually when talking to other friends, conversations tend to naturally steer towards more meaningful topics. I don’t know if I’m inadvertently holding myself back with him, or if finding meaningful topics has always been a thing started by the other person and I’ve never realized it.

So, any tips?

Have you got ways to deepen conversations?

Guys, have girls ever impressed you positively and how?

Thanks

  • Pumpkin Escobar@lemmy.world
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    Shoot your shot, player.

    Don’t go crazy or over the top, don’t overdo it, but just say it. If they’re a good friend they won’t be scared away. If they’re like you that way you’ll both be happier.

    Don’t overthink it, ask them if they’d ever like to hang out or do something more like a date.

    Ballsy, direct, badass. That can be you.

    Dating is awkward but life gets a lot better once you get more comfortable with it. Everyone is a dating idiot until they’re not, there’s a good chance your friend is still in the idiot stage and maybe hell be over the moon that you helped push through it.

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        That dude is joking of course, but touching someone in a subtle manner can be used to both express and indicate interest.

        If all else fails, entangle him with silk and consume him.

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    The nuerodivergent part suggests you’re going to just need to be direct.

    “I really enjoy our friendship, it’s important to me. I want to make sure we keep that friendship regardless, but I’ve also realized I might be developing more romantic feelings for you that I’d like to explore together - maybe you’ve had thoughts/feelings like that about me before? If not, that’s cool, I just feel better having said it to you so it’s out of my head :) but yeah, I like you and I’d like us to get dinner on an actual date date sometime and see how we both feel. What do you think?”

    Or there’s always Margaret Cho’s technique…

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      Ahhh fk.

      I appreciate the replies though.

      I don’t know about Margaret Cho, guess I’ll have to look it up

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    I never had much luck dating, tried shooting my shot with a handful of female friends I thought I was getting vibes from, never even got a first date, but stayed friends with them.

    The only 2 times I successfully ended up dating someone, the girl took the initiative and kissed me first.

    First one was someone I’d just recently met, didn’t really pick up on any vibes, maybe she was putting out a ton of them and I was too much of a dumbass to pick up on them, I just thought she seemed cool and wanted to hang out with her, didn’t really have any romantic intentions in mind. Then she kissed me, I kind of had to quickly rewire my brain and I decided “ok, let’s see where this goes.” Didn’t work out long term, but we had some fun for a while. I did not stay friends with her, she got kind of weird towards the end, and I found out years later that she was very likely cheating on me towards the end, I wasn’t my best self at the time either but I wasn’t a cheater just a stupid teenager, I tried to leave the door open to remain friends but she wasn’t having any of it.

    The second time I’d been friends with her for a good long while, again, no romantic intentions on my part, she was cool, we hung out mostly with other friends, sometimes not. She kissed me as we were both leaving a party at the same time getting into our own cars. Really short circuited my brain a little and could not make sense of it. Kind of had to take a day to process it and talk to her to confirm that we were gonna try it out and see where it went. She’d apparently been laying on the flirting extra heavy and I picked up on absolutely none of it. I ended up marrying her, coming up on 6 years married and close to a decade together.

    For a 3rd data point, there was a girl I really liked in high school. I’m pretty sure she was flirting with me pretty hard, and several other people even told me in pretty straightforward terms that she liked me. Never quite got out of my own head enough to make a move beyond some clumsy, mostly-joking-but-not-really flirting. I think I was kind of waiting for her to make it clear to me what she wanted in an unambiguous way, and she never quite did it in a way my brain interpreted as an “all systems go” signal.

    For some context, the first time I was about 18 or 19 years old, and I started dating my wife in my mid 20s, my failed attempts were all scattered around my early 20s. I’m probably a little neurodivergent in some way, some very mild degree of autism if I had to guess, and depending on who you ask I’m either a shy extrovert or an unusually outgoing introvert (the bit in Clerks about Randall hating people but loving gatherings resonates with me.)

    I think the takeaway here is to go for it and don’t beat around the bush. Keep an open mind that he may not be into you that way, but that means he doesn’t want to lose your friendship either. If it’s going to happen, one of you needs to make a move, and there’s a chance that he’s just as stupid as I am and hasn’t even really considered you romantically but if you force his hand he may go “oh shit, yeah, that sounds like a great idea, why didn’t I think of that”

    And even if stuff does implode, it doesn’t work out, and you don’t manage to stay friends, it’s probably better than spending the rest of your life wondering about what could have been. I love my wife, wouldn’t trade her for the world, and I’m confident that there’s no one in the world who would be a better match for me, but I do wonder sometimes what sort of fun I could have had with my high school crush, even if it wouldn’t have gone anywhere long-term. A couple weeks, months, or years of fun times would have been worth it. With the other girl I dated, even though things didn’t work out, and I think we mutually dislike each other now, I still think fondly of the times we had together regardless of the unpleasantness that came after, if I got stuck in a time loop and ended up back then, I’d still date her even knowing it wasn’t going anywhere.

    Unfortunately I have no particular tips for improving conversation. Somehow I seem to do alright, but I couldn’t, for the life of me, explain how I do it.

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      Thanks. I appreciate knowing first hand from a guy who didn’t make the first move AND still got to stay with her for a long time; all other stories of girls making the first move I’ve heard either don’t work or end in very short term relationships.

      I think I’m not being demonstrative enough, and he probably thinks I’m not interested. There is enough reason for that. But it could also be that he’s not wanting to commit to anything so he’s not asking me anything. I dread this second option. I’m rambling already. What I’m trying to say, in response to your account of not getting the flirts, is that there was some flirting on both sides but also plenty of mixed signals.

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    Ask him open ended questions about what he likes or finds interesting. Ask him about times when he was afraid for his life or the most memorable vacation he’s been on. Ask him about his goals or aspirations, embarrassing or funny stories, where he’d most like to travel, etc. Conversation flows more naturally when people are talking about something they’re excited about and you might learn more about him when he describes his past or feelings or wishes. You can use the info you learn to ask follow-up questions. Just make sure to actively listen and let him talk. Don’t just be thinking of what you want to say next. Maybe he’s afraid to open up to you or look dumb. Show him that you can be vulnerable and share a funny embarrassing thing that happened to you.

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    Most people have encouraged you to be direct, and they are right in that it will very quickly get you a yes no answer. And also that it’s more effective on men.

    But it’s equally true that if someone isn’t expecting that at all, a confession can surprise and stress them, as they struggle to put their feelings towards you together and decide on a future right in that moment.

    And that can sometimes lead to rejection when it might not have occurred had the way been paved a bit more gradually.

    To get specific, that involves doing things with just the two of you. But it also usually involves doing a shared interest, which you’ve said you don’t have.

    So if you’re serious, I would suggest you think about what you know of his interests, and seeing if there’s anything you’d potentially like to know more about/get involved in.

    Then say something like “hey I’ve started getting into __ a little bit, and I know you’ve been into that for a while, do you know of any __ happening soon I could go to?”

    If he has any interest in you at all and is not completely dense, he will usually mention something, and if he does he’ll possibly invite you. Even if it’s like “don’t know of anything now but that sounds fun”, that is also an invitation for you to look up and propose events.

    Once you’re at __ together, as the “expert” in the topic he’ll naturally take on more of the “host” role, which will get him talking. If he stops, unfortunately it is usually the woman that has to “go fishing” for topics, since men are not very good at it. Luckily being at __, which you’re not familiar, with means your questions will be real and natural.

    And then there is the simple fact that if a man said “I’m cold” and then leaned against a women, he would be thought as creepy, pushy, or presumptuous, but if a woman does it, it’s sweet and endearing even if the man doesn’t like them romantically, because it shows you feel safe with him.

    But sometimes, a man doesn’t know how he feels until he’s forced to notice. That will get him to notice. And then he’ll decide, and since men are not very good about hiding their emotions, as they’ve never been forced to, you’ll almost certainly know his decision by how he behaves toward you after that.

    And if you think the answers yes, it’s then when you’d be direct. Of course, if you’ve dropped enough hints, maybe you won’t have to.

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    Your and his age are gonna be major variables here. Conversations and relationships work very differently at different life stages.

    You sound like you’re maybe a teenager? Try asking interesting questions that require some thought to answer, but still leave room for your friend to give an easy thoughtless answer if they want to. Where do you think we’ll be in X years? What’s something you thought you wanted but as you’ve gotten okay have realised you actually don’t? What do you think we do now thar future generations will think is crazy? Listen to his answers and ask followup questions.

    Personally, I’ve always been most impressed by directness, honesty, intelligence and courage.

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      36F 30M, both neurodivergents if that also plays a role. Neither particularly lucky in love, though finding people to date isn’t hard for either. Both in many ways immature so I don’t take personally you presuming I’m a teenager. I absolutely feel as dumb as one to the point of asking this question. Thanks for the answer.

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        Neurodivergent romances are awkward as fuck. Dunno what to say except sympathy.

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        After 30 you should both be able to handle rejection and reject in a nice way. Just make sure you are both sober and sprinkle lots of compliments.

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          It’s not me downvoting you btw. Maybe you are right, perhaps I’m not mentally prepared to handle it. At least I know what to talk about next time I see my therapist

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            Yes. A professional is much better than ransom lemmy advice.

            Your therapist should help you realise that the worse case scenario (rejection) has already happened to you many times in other forms, and you survived.

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              Hey, what you say is true, but I still find value in the opinions of a bunch of strangers. It’s not professional, yet it helps me see what the majority of people would think in my shoes. It’s a check-in with reality in a way. I don’t think I could get that talking to a single person no matter how good they are. They’re two completely different things.

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    You could ask:

    1. What’s your best quality?
    2. What’s your worst quality?
    3. What does “home” mean to you?
    4. What’s your favorite childhood memory?
    5. Who are your role models?
    6. What is your relationship with your like?
    7. What is your idea of happiness?
    8. Where do you see yourself five years from now?
    9. What goal are you working toward right now?
    10. What’s the biggest challenge you’re facing right now?
    11. What does retirement look like to you?
    12. What’s a skill or quality you would like to develop in yourself?
    13. Have you ever experienced a life-altering moment that changed your perspective?
    14. What do you consider your biggest accomplishment so far?
    15. What’s the most difficult thing you’ve ever been through?
    16. How do you cope when you’re upset or stressed out?
    17. What are you grateful for?
    18. What’s the best piece of advice you’ve ever received?
    19. What’s your worst habit?
    20. If you could change one thing about yourself, what would it be?

    Also is kinda tricky; on one hand you could try to find out what hobbies he likes and do them together somehow. But if you do too forceful it might be too much…

    So what have you done so far?

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      We’ve been hanging out a few times, but it wasn’t “a date” even though it was just the two of us most times. We don’t see or talk as frequently as people who are about to start dating do though. I was hoping to build some momentum but from the replies here I’m getting the idea that I’m going to have to man up and ask him on a date formally.

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    To echo what a lot of people are saying, just go for it with confidence (which is easier said than done, I know.) “Hey, I think we would be a good couple and I was wondering if you wanted to go out sometimes.” And if they no with same confidence (or fake it) “I’m so sorry, i must have misread the situation. Don’t worry, you don’t have have to be awkward around me.”. And that’ll take the pressure off of both of you so it’s not weird

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      I’m open to suggestions, especially on how to spot a good moment to ask deep questions. My brain freezes when he’s around, preparing myself would help

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        Tricky, but you could take the approach of just putting it on the table:

        "Hey, I have a weird random question… " And then ask if he thinks there is life elsewhere in the universe or what he thinks is going on with flat earthers or whatever. It isn’t bad to be a bit random in timing.

        In terms of timing specifics though, you don’t want to do it in the middle of some other discussion, so you normally wait for a quiet moment or a lull in the current conversation. Typically depends on what’s going on. I find something like building puzzles together is great for this, because you’ve both got something to do but it’s not so intense as to block easy conversation that just meanders a bit. Just an example though.

        When you are together, what are you normally doing? Long drives are easier to find ok moments, studying in the library or in the middle of a dentist appointment less so

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          I’ll see what I can do. Maybe I’m too self conscious about coming with something out of the blue.

          We tend to walk a lot around shops, or have a meal somewhere, or sometimes hang at a pub with his work mates. Occasionally a movie night. Got more suggestions for hanging out? I’m all eyes

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            So you want to try create the right moments for deeper conversation, I think that would be more likely away from his mates? I don’t know them so just guessing.

            With that in mind, maybe Google around for anything interesting or different happening in the area. A gardening or book faire, wine or coffee festival, anything relaxed. Then ask him if he wants to go. Ideally something quiet that has some walking around?

            That might create helpful conditions.

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              This has already happened… We can hang out. It’s taking things one step forward the tricky part. Guess I’m going to have to take my chances and find yet again another excuse to hang out, and just say it. I’m getting tired of feeling like this

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    I’ll help with the deep conversation part. All conversations can go deep, if you keep questioning them.

    It’s hot out today. -is it getting hotter every year? Seems like it. I think it’s global warming. -what do you think the solutions are?

    I think Gary is cool. -what do you like about him? He’s got a sweet mustache -have you always liked mustaches? My uncle had a mustache, he used to takes us to cool places when we were kids. -would you say your uncle had a big impact on your life?

    The point is, if you keep inquiring a step deeper, the conversation inevitably becomes deep. Good luck, and have fun.