This is a thread specifically for the war, not a general megathread (use the pinned /c/genzedong thread for that).
Please keep related news in this thread rather than making separate posts. Remember to include sources and avoid spreading rumours.
This is a thread specifically for the war, not a general megathread (use the pinned /c/genzedong thread for that).
Please keep related news in this thread rather than making separate posts. Remember to include sources and avoid spreading rumours.
Shooting them down is a pretty reasonable retaliation for invading their airspace.
There is no cease fire and never was. usa never held up to its side of the agreement. usa fled and Iran chose to stop firing because they had done all they needed to to the bases in the area.
Fighting isn’t in Iran’s interests. They have won as much as they can militarily. All they want is usa to leave them alone. Their best weapon to get that is choking the gcc and usa by not letting them transit the strait.
I don’t fully know what occured yesterday, but what I saw was multiple boats blown up and missile systems on the coast. Is that not your understanding? If all that happened was some drones invaded their air space and got downed then I’d be inclined to agree with you.
Allowing themselves to be consistently attacked during negotiations is also not in Irans interest. Appetite for war in the US has never been lower (ever), so the opportunity is there to retaliate.
Yes it’s obvious to anyone with eyes Iran just wants to be left alone. And also the same for Lebanon. Thing is that doesn’t appear to be happening does it.
Iran doesn’t need to escalate because what they are doing is working. The american drone incursion did not achieve any strategic success. Why would Iran change tack?
usa sent those drones because the strait is still closed, gas prices are rising, and trump looks like a loser. This was not a show of strength by usa. This was a desperate attempt to change the situation because they are losing.
Maybe usa destroyed some boats, there aren’t any reports of martyrs that I have seen but MQ-9 reapers cost well over $30 million each.
Even if Iran wanted to hit back what could they do? There are no more american targets in range.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgzzn4y1n8o
What you’re claiming does not accurately reflect what I’m seeing on telegram. Hell even my corrupt Zionist media is acknowledging what happened.
Honestly feels a bit like talking to a wall here but let me restate the same points again if it helps.
Why would they change tack? As previously stated once again aggressed upon during ceasefire and negotiations.
Even if Iran want to hit back what could they do " If they can’t hit a us target there’s a giant bullseye just south of Lebanon."
These were all in my comments. It would be nice to engage with points, rather than restate the same things over and over again. Feels like a serious waste of both our time.
This has the exact same energy as when I was treated like an idiot for pointing out a non aggression pact with Saudi did very little for Iran. I was told how incredible it was and I was an idiot for thinking it provided very little because US needs a close geographical location to conduct strikes from. Never minding the other 10 countries in the area still completely on the table.
Whatever man, agree to disagree.
You may be a bit too focused on physical damage to appreciate the diplomatic side of this conflict, perhaps 💙
There is no diplomacy with Israel and the US. Their leaders only understand political and economic pain. Iran knows and understands this even if you don’t.
You need to further your studies, comrade. When war happens, it happens as continuation of politics and diplomacy. It is a specific political form, in a sense. The unreliability of enemy states is an important strategical consideration, but it doesn’t change the political nature of war.
There are over 400 dead civilians in Lebanon since the ceasefire I have seen most their faces. Tell them the current process is working. Tell them diplomacy worked for them. This isn’t meant to be war. This is supposed to be the absence of war. That’s what a ceasefire usually means. Not bombing civilians and pouring phosphorous on them. Not blowing up Iranian ships and missile systems.
Wait and see, I have a feeling we will be seeing Iranian retaliation pretty imminently. At least that’s what I’m seeing from their leadership’s messaging.
Either way the guy was wrong. A couple of downed drones is not the extent of what was enacted upon Iran yesterday. Their leadership have since released statements agreeing with what I said.
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"Iran’s MFA, in an official statement, says the US violated the ceasefire by harassing Iranian commercial ships near the Strait of Hormuz in the last 48 hours.
The statement says Washington is acting in bad faith despite diplomacy, and warns that Iran will respond to ceasefire violations and defend its interests"
If that isn’t exactly the gist of what I’m saying in the latest statement from Iranian leadership I don’t know what it is. Hadn’t even seen that till now. So I don’t understand why you feel the urge to talk down to me.
I’m not talking down to you, comrade. Please, don’t take it that way.
Violating a ceasefire is a tactic used by the US and Israel because they won’t be condemned by the international community for it. Iran is time and time again arguing that only their side is respecting the ceasefire (possibly with political/diplomatic gains in the regional and international stages).
I do expect them to fully leave the ceasefire, but it’s happening after making it clear to the international political actors that it was an asymmetrical ceasefire (we ceased, they fired, etc).
Either way, what I really want is for the US empire to fall, and also the whole Capitalist system, and with them all the senseless violence they perpetrate.