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This is a thread specifically for the war, not a general megathread (use the pinned /c/genzedong thread for that).
Please keep related news in this thread rather than making separate posts. Remember to include sources and avoid spreading rumours.
Honestly feels a bit like talking to a wall here but let me restate the same points again if it helps.
Why would they change tack? As previously stated once again aggressed upon during ceasefire and negotiations.
Even if Iran want to hit back what could they do " If they can’t hit a us target there’s a giant bullseye just south of Lebanon."
These were all in my comments. It would be nice to engage with points, rather than restate the same things over and over again. Feels like a serious waste of both our time.
This has the exact same energy as when I was treated like an idiot for pointing out a non aggression pact with Saudi did very little for Iran. I was told how incredible it was and I was an idiot for thinking it provided very little because US needs a close geographical location to conduct strikes from. Never minding the other 10 countries in the area still completely on the table.
Whatever man, agree to disagree.
You may be a bit too focused on physical damage to appreciate the diplomatic side of this conflict, perhaps 💙
There is no diplomacy with Israel and the US. Their leaders only understand political and economic pain. Iran knows and understands this even if you don’t.
You need to further your studies, comrade. When war happens, it happens as continuation of politics and diplomacy. It is a specific political form, in a sense. The unreliability of enemy states is an important strategical consideration, but it doesn’t change the political nature of war.
There are over 400 dead civilians in Lebanon since the ceasefire I have seen most their faces. Tell them the current process is working. Tell them diplomacy worked for them. This isn’t meant to be war. This is supposed to be the absence of war. That’s what a ceasefire usually means. Not bombing civilians and pouring phosphorous on them. Not blowing up Iranian ships and missile systems.
Wait and see, I have a feeling we will be seeing Iranian retaliation pretty imminently. At least that’s what I’m seeing from their leadership’s messaging.
Either way the guy was wrong. A couple of downed drones is not the extent of what was enacted upon Iran yesterday. Their leadership have since released statements agreeing with what I said.
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"Iran’s MFA, in an official statement, says the US violated the ceasefire by harassing Iranian commercial ships near the Strait of Hormuz in the last 48 hours.
The statement says Washington is acting in bad faith despite diplomacy, and warns that Iran will respond to ceasefire violations and defend its interests"
If that isn’t exactly the gist of what I’m saying in the latest statement from Iranian leadership I don’t know what it is. Hadn’t even seen that till now. So I don’t understand why you feel the urge to talk down to me.
I’m not talking down to you, comrade. Please, don’t take it that way.
Violating a ceasefire is a tactic used by the US and Israel because they won’t be condemned by the international community for it. Iran is time and time again arguing that only their side is respecting the ceasefire (possibly with political/diplomatic gains in the regional and international stages).
I do expect them to fully leave the ceasefire, but it’s happening after making it clear to the international political actors that it was an asymmetrical ceasefire (we ceased, they fired, etc).
Either way, what I really want is for the US empire to fall, and also the whole Capitalist system, and with them all the senseless violence they perpetrate.
Telling someone with a first in history they need to study more is absolutely talking down to them.
The other person was talking down to me too. I pointed out to them what had happened wasn’t just a couple of downed drones, and that Iran would be looking at ways to retaliate for ceasefire violations. They denied this completely.This was a few hours before Iran put out a statement saying it wasn’t just a couple of downed drones and that they were looking at ways to retaliate for ceasefire violations.
So from my side at least, it seems that I was correct.
I’m not telling you to study more History 😔 Either way, all of us need to study more. And in this case I was talking specifically about international relations and theories of war.
You can’t just say stuff like, “There’s no diplomacy!” Perhaps you were being hyperbolic, but of course there must be diplomacy.
What I’m meaning by that is that you don’t negotiate with nations like the US and Israel in a typical fashion. If you show them they can strike you and pay no price they will continue to do so. As we have seen throughout history and as we are seeing now.
Either way call me delusional but I consider myself completely vindicated in my arguments considering Iranian leadership have made statements since mine that are almost verbatim my points. So I guess they need to study more also
May I also add that accusing me of being “too focused on damage” whilst today’s Nazis rain bombs and phosphorous on civilians is borderline offensive and at the very least naive.
You can only play on the field you’re given. Hezbollah are valiantly laying their lives on the line daily to defend their county from bloodthirsty demons. I get you’d like them to write a strongly worded letter, but I live in the real world. As I watch their beautiful people’s faces appear on my screen daily. Old and young. Male and female. All have light in their eyes and hope. All expunged from existence for no reason other than Israel seem to enjoy inflicting pain.