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    On my way to the next liberated camp, I met some advance units of the Red Army that had occupied a German house. Soviet troops were closing in on Weimar in Eastern Germany. I was immediately embraced and pushed into a celebration already in progress. A glass of what I suppose was Vodka, or gasoline, was thrust into my hand. Everyone was stomping and dancing joyfully. A burly Soviet soldier, with pants stuffed into big black boots, grabbed me, lifted me off my feet and started swinging me around the room. It was only when I was put down that I realized that my dancing partner was a woman. The Soviet Army included females as well as males, but it was sometimes hard to tell which was which. One of the Russian soldiers asked me what I did in the American army. I told him I was a war crimes investigator. I explained that I tried to get evidence of what the SS did. “Don’t you know what they did?” he asked. I said that, of course, I did. “So why are you asking them?” he said quizzically. “Just shoot them!” In later years, when it became clear that we could never try more than a very small sampling of the criminals, and that almost all would escape punishment, I often thought of the advice I got from the simple Russian soldier. Being a lawman, I couldn’t accept it, but I often wondered if he was right.

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    Read something interesting earlier on Folke Bernadotte’s Wiki. Where is it…

    In April 1945, Heinrich Himmler asked Bernadotte to convey a peace proposal to Prime Minister Winston Churchill and President Harry S. Truman without the knowledge of Adolf Hitler. The main point of the proposal was that Germany would surrender only to the Western Allies (the United Kingdom and the United States), but would be allowed to continue resisting the Soviet Union.

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      Right after WWII, the US rehabilitated its “enemies,” Germany, Italy, and Japan, while starting the Cold War with its “ally,” the USSR. Rehabilitating Germany & Japan was important for the US’ containment strategy against the USSR.

      If we see that Germany is winning the war, we ought to help Russia; and if that Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany, and in that way let them kill as many as possible […]. — Senator and future president Harry S. Truman, 1941

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    I can’t find anything on Walter Hallstein and Adolf Heusinger being nazis or committing war crimes. Looks like the former was an academic drafted in the army and the latter a high-ranking officer who began his career before the nazis.

    I get that Heusinger can be seen as complicit (he must have known for whom he worked and didn’t quit), but what about Hallstein?

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      Wikipedia gives plenty on Adolf Heusinger’s involvement in the Nazi party and millitary.

      Here’s a link for Hallstein.

      But perhaps the most shocking thing of all about this speech is that Hallstein stated one of the most important laws to be introduced in the annexed countries was the “Law for the Protection of the German Blood, and the German Honour.” In other words, he advocated the imposition of the Nuremberg Race Laws as a top priority in “Greater Germany.” These laws excluded German Jews from Reich citizenship and prohibited them from marrying, or even having sexual relations, with persons of German or related blood.

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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Hallstein

      In 1935, Hallstein attempted to start a military career alongside his academic duties.[17] In 1936, he managed to integrate a voluntary military service in an artillery unit.[17] In the years between 1936 and 1939, he attended several military courses[18] and was made a reserve officer.[17]

      Hallstein was a member of several nominally Nazi professional organizations,[g][19] but he was not a member of the Nazi Party

      Not the worst nazi but the voluntary military service under the Nazis seals the deal for me. Definitely a Nazi.

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    Hmm… yeah. But the majority of right wing Nazis is now in ex GDR. The Problem With them Post war was ignored or downplayed.

    When GDR would become Part of Germany again, they have become victoms of a great sell out and the majority of companies closed. That caused a Lot of distrust to the (new) government. Not defending Nazi scum Here. But the ex GDR Population was an easy target for the few Nazis that were left in Western Germany.

    Now we gotta Deal With that Shit again, so I do Not agree on soviet union getting rid of Nazis. They straight Up ignored it in the Long Run tbh.

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    So you’re telling me the Soviets treated Nazi’s like they treated their own people. Curious.

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      No? What are you talking about? Getting real tired of liberals claiming to be anarchists that think they can say whatever they want about socialist states, regardless of its validity, and claim it’s simply “anarchist critique.” No, anarchist critique is based on looking at historical truth and evaluating it with an anarchist lens, not making shit up.

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        Yes, your fall back defense and insult: everyone you disagree with is a “liberal”. As tiresome as it is predictable. Though this is Hardly an Anarchist critique. Anyone with a basic understanding of the history and no ulterior motives could make the point: Prior to Stalin’s death, life was cheap in the USSR. More “good” communists faced execution than Nazis.

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          Yep, anyone can make shit up, like you just did. 4 million Nazis were killed on the Eastern Front in battle, a number far exceeding even the most outlandish figures liberals came up with for purges, even if we assume 100% of those purged were innocent, which is of course wrong (the vast majority were proven guilty).

          Now, in reality, life expectancy doubled while Stalin was in office, and the vast majority of those executed in purges (which wasn’t what happened to most that were purged, usually just party expulsions) were found to be guilty of crimes like murder, terrorism, espionage, sexual assault, and more. We also know that there was good reason for the purges, because the USSR was under constant siege, threat of war, infiltration, sabotage, and more for its entire existence, especially prior to World War II.

          You don’t have a critique to make, you’re just repeating Red Scare mythology. Truth for you is less important than wielding the Red Scare like a club against those you disagree with, even if it’s trivial to disprove your claims.

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          More “good” communists faced execution than Nazis.

          100 GORRIOLLON NO IFONE

          Take your Black Book of Communism nonsense and shove it

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    Funny how Russia’s Operation Osoaviakhim did the exact same thing, they were just worse at it. This thread is Russian backed propaganda.

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      You live in a larp world where everyone who disagrees with you is a Russian government agent lmao

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          For reference, LARP means live-action role-playing. Dressup fun activities for nerds. People who are too online call each other larpers both ironically or otherwise when mocking the validity of their ideology.

          Implying someone is secretly a Russian operative for using a word you don’t know is so illustrative of their point that I’m starting to think it’s a bit. Great job if it is.

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            Someone I disagree with used a word I don’t know, must be a russian agent slipping up! I knew it!

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      Operation Osoaviakhim did the exact same thing

      Cope, no it didn’t. The US gave ex Nazis leadership positions, the soviets did the pragmatic thing and only extracted useful knowledge and executed them if they refused