The other “problem” is that they were their own isolated place for a while which had an attitude of just laughing at or insulting libs instead of engaging (which is perfectly fine for an isolated website, where liberal intruders aren’t welcome), and upon federation suddenly became the largest instance at the time and many kept up that same shitposty dirtbag attitude, like posting PPB or just telling people to fuck off in reply to pro-capitalist arguments. So they quickly earned a collective bad reputation as rude trolls.
an attitude of just laughing at or insulting libs instead of engaging
Patently false. The PPB only comes out when it becomes clear you’re debating in deliberately bad faith.
Honestly anyone in this thread talking shit should pony up their chat logs so their behavior can be examined. 100% you stuck the stick in your own bike wheel.
I was forced to “talk to them” when they were still federated and it was horrible. It’s totally fine to have a political opinion, but it’s another to turn every comment section into a warzone. Even responses to random memes would somehow turn into a political debate and due to their high user count and black and white thinking this quickly turned into them attacking anyone who disagreed even slightly with their views. Hexbear were making sure that anyone who isn’t a tankie had no reason to be on Lemmy because they’d be haunted every time they’d share their opinion.
I’m all for having a normal exchange of thoughts, but this is like sitting in a room with 90% extreme leftists and getting swarmed and called a stupid lib the moment you dare to introduce some nuance. I’m still more left wing than probably 70% or 80% of the Netherlands and yet I’d relate better to the average center-right voter than to these nuts
most leftists i know have organized, wants to organize, or currently organize in a marxist organization. because thats pretty central to most leftist ideologies.
i understand that might be harder in the us, because its the epicenter of capitalism and all anticommunist propaganda, but thats generally kind of a strawman.
thats ok, people are allowed to plan ahead for something they can’t do right this second, its hard work you need time and energy for. participating in politics doesn’t have the same barriers to entry as being born rich or with oversized genitalia.
not having time, energy or money to pursue what they want is sometimes what radicalizes people in the first place.
Me and some other hexbears meet weekly and provide free food to our community but we never post about it online. Idk, just feels wrong to brag about it or constantly bring it up so this is the first time I’ve ever mentioned it on lemmy
You have no idea what people get up to on the otherside of the keyboard. It’s silly to think people would chronicle everything they do on a Lemmy instance
Idk, just feels wrong to brag about it or constantly bring it up so this is the first time I’ve ever mentioned it on lemmy
On the other hand, there’s nothing wrong with encouraging and normalizing productive behaviors, like actions and reading theory. I’ve seen some communities normalize the whole “you’re just an armchair posting online!” as a counterargument, or take digs at how they think most of the community don’t read any theory. And I’ve seen a touch of the second on Hexbear, esp. when some bears visited Lemmygrad during the domain registration issue.
I don’t brag about my antifascism and org work on Lemmy, but I really should start, to be honest. It’s the little things behind the scenes that people don’t realize gets done. Just make sure you’re careful with what information you share, because fash could be looking.
If I’m included in there, I don’t post online about actions I take because I can legally get fired due to my volunteer work in a socialist political party, and some of the community actions I have taken involved dozens of arrests. So I have good reasons to avoid disclosing info and getting dox’d.
It’s almost like there is actual persecution of leftists in the world, as opposed to whatever these chuds online with their “Woke video game” spreadsheets call persecution.
hexbear is just fine. the “problem” with them is that they are leftists. same with lemmygrad or to a lesser extent lemmy.ml
i predict some people will hate a lot on them here, but you should simply just go talk to them and decide for yourself what you think of it.
The other “problem” is that they were their own isolated place for a while which had an attitude of just laughing at or insulting libs instead of engaging (which is perfectly fine for an isolated website, where liberal intruders aren’t welcome), and upon federation suddenly became the largest instance at the time and many kept up that same shitposty dirtbag attitude, like posting PPB or just telling people to fuck off in reply to pro-capitalist arguments. So they quickly earned a collective bad reputation as rude trolls.
Patently false. The PPB only comes out when it becomes clear you’re debating in deliberately bad faith.
Honestly anyone in this thread talking shit should pony up their chat logs so their behavior can be examined. 100% you stuck the stick in your own bike wheel.
I was forced to “talk to them” when they were still federated and it was horrible. It’s totally fine to have a political opinion, but it’s another to turn every comment section into a warzone. Even responses to random memes would somehow turn into a political debate and due to their high user count and black and white thinking this quickly turned into them attacking anyone who disagreed even slightly with their views. Hexbear were making sure that anyone who isn’t a tankie had no reason to be on Lemmy because they’d be haunted every time they’d share their opinion.
I’m all for having a normal exchange of thoughts, but this is like sitting in a room with 90% extreme leftists and getting swarmed and called a stupid lib the moment you dare to introduce some nuance. I’m still more left wing than probably 70% or 80% of the Netherlands and yet I’d relate better to the average center-right voter than to these nuts
What is an example of Hexbear “black and white thinking”?
The problem I have with hexbear leftists is the same that I have with all the other ones and it is because they are all talk and no action.
most leftists i know have organized, wants to organize, or currently organize in a marxist organization. because thats pretty central to most leftist ideologies.
i understand that might be harder in the us, because its the epicenter of capitalism and all anticommunist propaganda, but thats generally kind of a strawman.
Organizing and wanting to organize are two entirely different things.
I want to be a billionaire with a large dick.
thats ok, people are allowed to plan ahead for something they can’t do right this second, its hard work you need time and energy for. participating in politics doesn’t have the same barriers to entry as being born rich or with oversized genitalia.
not having time, energy or money to pursue what they want is sometimes what radicalizes people in the first place.
Elon, is that you?
This comment may be funnier than you deliberately intended if you don’t know the rumors…
A billionaire by any other name will have just as broken a dick.
You and the rest of the West, my friend, but there are only so many Congolese penises (ethically sourced, of course…) to go around!
How, exactly, does one ethically source a penis?
Huh? Take your commie concerns somewhere else!
How the hell would you even know if they’re “no action”?
I know for a fact that they’ve housed many trans people. They also had a shipment of grain with with their logo on it in Gaza. Pretty dope.
That’s a big bag of wheat. Did they send a big spoon to go with it?
Only the biggest spoon.
What size is “big” for wheat bags? Itcs 25kg, so about the same as dirt bags, IIRC.
Me and some other hexbears meet weekly and provide free food to our community but we never post about it online. Idk, just feels wrong to brag about it or constantly bring it up so this is the first time I’ve ever mentioned it on lemmy
You have no idea what people get up to on the otherside of the keyboard. It’s silly to think people would chronicle everything they do on a Lemmy instance
On the other hand, there’s nothing wrong with encouraging and normalizing productive behaviors, like actions and reading theory. I’ve seen some communities normalize the whole “you’re just an armchair posting online!” as a counterargument, or take digs at how they think most of the community don’t read any theory. And I’ve seen a touch of the second on Hexbear, esp. when some bears visited Lemmygrad during the domain registration issue.
I don’t brag about my antifascism and org work on Lemmy, but I really should start, to be honest. It’s the little things behind the scenes that people don’t realize gets done. Just make sure you’re careful with what information you share, because fash could be looking.
They are the only instance I know of with an active mutual aid comm.
If I’m included in there, I don’t post online about actions I take because I can legally get fired due to my volunteer work in a socialist political party, and some of the community actions I have taken involved dozens of arrests. So I have good reasons to avoid disclosing info and getting dox’d.
I suppose this applies to many others.
It’s almost like there is actual persecution of leftists in the world, as opposed to whatever these chuds online with their “Woke video game” spreadsheets call persecution.