I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
People who say ‘cant wait for steamOS to come out so that I can move to it’ is also very similar
They never will try Linux, even if what they want comes true
They won’t do it, whether they just fear change or think it’ll break stuff or they can’t bother
And I’m not going to lie, I don’t hate them or debate with them for it, I just hate the bold lies they tell just to get with the crowd
“Fuck you Microsoft, I’m moving to Linux” says the individual that would never move if they haven’t already
Frankly, I probably wouldn’t move either if Windows didn’t permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers, and reinstalling windows wasn’t harder than installing Linux, fucking hell
Either way, these people kick up hype for a Linux that will be so much bigger but they never arrive
Maybe they will, due in fucking 2028 or something when they invent a really easy way to use built in Linux tools to move your files from NTFS to Linux and then when you launch steam you have a perfect library of Linux compatible games that are as good or better than windows
And don’t lie, even now with 80% compatibility it feels more like 60%, whether because it depends on the system one runs or because the performance drops just make it not worth it…
At least don’t lie that you’ll move to Linux at a goal post that you’ll just move whenever you get close, maybe say that you’ll move to Linux when you finally get a new pc with a new disk or something?
You ever seen this XKCD about “today’s 10,000?”
Your rant reminds me of that because I think you’ve got this idea in your head that everyone in life is at the same point in their journey as you are now. Linux has been on the edge of my mind for awhile but I’m a really busy working person and learning a new operating system seems daunting when you don’t have the experience.
Then I bought a Steamdeck last year and a switch flipped in my head; I was like hey this gaming on Linux and it looks like it is actually doable. Then a few weeks back a misfortune resulted in Windows getting nuked on my gaming PC and I had some free time so installed Linux for the first time and started trying to figure stuff out.
My point is that there are people who are truthfully interested but overwhelmed with life or it’s just not as high a priority to them so it hasn’t happened yet but that doesn’t mean that it won’t happen. This approach of “they would have done it by now if they were going to” just seems silly to me. People have lives and we are all at different places in our journey.
“I want to be able to use my expensive hardware for the reason I purchased it in the first place” seems like a pretty solid argument to me.
This is where I am. There are a lot of fancy features that modern graphics cards have that I want to make sure work with all my AAA titles. I have a Linux laptop for near everything that isn’t a game.
I know there’s a lot of people on Lemmy that feel differently, but I am a bit of a bleeding edge graphics whore. I like my raytracing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is an terrible take. You must have switched the moment you became aware of Linux, had no qualms or before the switch, didn’t mull it over even a little bit.
Please go back in time to when you weren’t using Linux yet, and direct this rant at yourself and see how you like it.
At the time I wasn’t thinking of switching my pc over to Linux, so it wouldn’t have been hypocrisy on my part
I had Linux installed on a laptop before and it ran well even in the past before all the compatibility improvements
After that the reinstall was fast and moving files over was easy
The only thing that would’ve made me mad about this post is that I wouldn’t shut the fuck up because I was raving too much, but now I’ve got interest and a whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Besides, it’s Lemmy and it’s online, it’s a person’s choice to read my rant and click on the post, thankfully it isn’t a square where I’m screaming like a mad man, haha
This reminds me when I was a teenager, it’s sort of a tradition to call anyone who got into $THING after you did a poser, while the older kids make fun of you for the same reason. This establishes the hacking order. Since I reckon I’m the elder in this situation, I’ll do this to you now: Stop being a poser, you don’t want to scare away any cool grown-ups do you?
??? Judge me all you want
whole lot of annoyance over so-called anti-establishmentarianists who rather talk Linux for months on end with no actual plan of moving even though they talk as if they have one, that fucking ticks me off, and I feel as if it’s everywhere because people wanna fit in
Yeah you’re keeping it real, fucking posers amiright? You’re sooo mad at all these phonies just trying to fit in.
I seriously hope you’re just a teenager because that means you’re going to grow out of this phase, otherwise this is just sad.
Yeah you’re right
I think you put too much weight on everything, including your opinion. I am not trying to be insulting, just realistic.
I can equally say that I hate how so many people say, “just switch to Linux, its easy and does everything.” Neither of those is the case because it doesn’t factor in the learning curve nor does Linux do everything.
So if you want more Linux users, focus more on being helpful. Ask what their specific concerns are, or what apps they must have vs would be nice to have. Point people to distros that would fit their use case (it’s mind boggling as a non Linux user to just look up what distro to get). Then point them towards how to find answers to their questions and troubleshooting steps.
Nuture the seeds you plant and they will grow. Yelling at them that they aren’t growing isn’t going to help.
But immediately dismissing people’s problems is the Linux way. Linux is perfect, I had no issues with it, so if you have any issues you’re simply wrong!
I feel the someway about people who say “I’m moving to Linux after W10 support ends”.
I think it takes one of two things for people to move.
- Linux has to have several features that are unavailable on Windows that makes it worth swapping.
- Windows has to do something so egregious that they no longer consider it viable.
In my case, I swapped back 3 years ago when ads appeared in explorer for a preview version. In combination with the work the community had done for Valve to consider the steam deck worth selling with Linux, I was confident enough that I could have a good enough experience with Linux.
That’s a perfectly legitimate approach. Switching your OS is always a hassle. I can understand that people like to stick with what works for them.
Honestly it’s like people saying they are going to eat better after the new year. Most don’t and the people that are most of the time just do it right then not waiting for some event to start.
IDK, that could be different. I bought some surfaces ~2 years ago that apparently aren’t capable of upgrading to 11. They’re perfectly usable, so I’ll have to put Linux on them. I think anyone that’s capable will find that they have to do that, or throw out perfectly good hardware to buy the next shiny thing.
The only problem is I did switch my laptop to Ubuntu back in the day to avoid W7. Or maybe to was 10? All I did was stream video, like Netflix, on it. Turns out, Netflix wouldn’t run because they locked it down to specific OSes. WINE could run it, with a horrible stutter. So I had to dual boot, then I switched to a VM of Windows in Linux, which ended up just being another step to get to stream a movie. Coupled with hours of driver problems to solve, it just wasn’t worth the hassle.
Now, it’s a matter of “can I stream?” Because otherwise, they’re e-waste. I really hope they can, because while I’ll have to keep my gaming PC on w11, my htpc and tablets I will gladly switch.
I can’t imagine I’m alone. If people can get their programs out of the walled garden of Microsoft, I think they will. Not so much new features, but that they can just do what they always do. We’re creatures of habit. We probably won’t see adoption in high numbers, but more than before.
Also, it’s entirely possible I’ll have to eat these words if streaming still doesn’t work right.
Linux actually has stuff that makes it worth switching too, but it’s ones that would require reinstalls to notice and that’s quite infrequent
On windows people dread reinstalls, on Linux it could quite literally happen every time you boot and you notice nothing changes
But these can’t easily be advertised and can’t be felt easily either
Flat out installing at all is the barrier the only thing that is going to move the needle is hardware that has Linux preinstalled and is in the news at the hot new thing to have. The steam deck is doing that and the only other way is preinstalled at the local best buy. You can make Linux the perfect OS that will do your taxes and the laundry and still they will use the worse option becase it was preinstalled. The avg person buys a computer runs it till it gets slow then just buys another one and repeats the process. The avg person just thinks they get used up and dull like razer blades.
Try to play Diablo 2 or Commandos on a new windows box … Possible but a huge hassle IMO.
This, linux is actually much easier for older games
“it has to run every single piece of windows software or else its useless”
I’m the other way around. I switched to Debian on my main around a year ago now and I’m like “oh, this game works, and this game works too, oh and that works as well, wow!”. Honestly, any game I threw at Debian, it just… worked. Granted, I don’t play very recent games and most of them either single player or does not have any serious anti cheat measures. Even VR works with ALVR and Steam VR, wirelessly on my (or rather my homie’s, just borrowed) Quest 2.
And not just games, a lot of Windows software just works with Wine.
So, before the change, I thought I need or use Windows exclusive software, and I did, but all of them are now have decent alternatives. Maybe except for Notepad++. (I use Kate and KWrite, but… I really don’t like those softwares, but they get the job done the same way np++ did)
So, I’m really surprised how well this past 1 year went without any issue.
But that’s kinda valid that if something doesn’t run, then people won’t change. You are talking about people who doesn’t care libre/FOSS software and all that jazz, they won’t change if it’s just simply worse.
Switching from Windows to Linux was a refreshing experience. I’ve never encountered any problems running Windows games on Linux.
The only thing I miss is ShareX.
Well windows has 100% support. So it’s reasonable that an alternative that people want to use would be as accessable.
Sorry
Except windows doesnt have 100% compatibility guaranteed either , there are cases where old games and programs are no longer working on newer versions of windows. These same games and programs in many cases will work on linux as there is a compatible wine prefix.
I get your point though, I’m pointing out the 100% figure is not true for either os.
Windows has 100% support for Windows. I mean, yeah?
I don’t see Windows supporting Linux programs. Or Apple programs.
It’s a bad argument.
The user’s library of apps are Windows apps. And Windows does support Linux programs. There are versions of Windows that don’t technically have it enabled by default, but it’s easy to install support. It has a built in command “wsl --install”, and a button in the store and start-menu. And for most users who get a pre-configured image from IT or their laptop manufacturer it’s pre-installed.
It’s a bad argument that I want my programs to run on my computer?
Fuck off lmao
Windows doesn’t run every game i want. I couldn’t get the first Command and Conquer to be playable at all. I have had the same experience many times with older strategy and simulation games: they just don’t work very well on modern Windows.
By contrast, so far Linux does play every game i want. My entire library going back decades works just fine with Wine or Proton. It’s easy once you get used to using a translation layer.
I don’t play Apex, League, or Fortnite, so that’s probably why i dont feel like i’m missing anything on Linux.
If your computer is mainly a toy I really DGAF what you put up with to use it.
Why does it matter? All that matters is that plenty of people do use Linux - literally millions of people. There is a healthy vibrant ecosystem of distros, and devs working on Linux.
I don’t care if people aren’t interested in Linux. I’m much more interested in ensuring those people who choose Linux are happy because that is good for all.of us.
And the best thing anyone can do is donate to the projects they care about. That helps projects fund development and support. It’s much more useful than trying to convince people to try Linux when they have no real interest in it.
Since ProtonDB (and obviously Proton itself, Wine with its own WineApp DB, SteamOS) there is an easy way to check if your favorite games do work. That being said I understand that people are afraid. They might think “OK… well Elden Ring works but what about the DLC, or upcoming Elden Ring Nightreign?” and believe, probably rightfully so to be honest, that because Windows is still the most popular OS for gaming on PC and that game publishers are economically rational actors, more testing and fixes will be done against that target platform.
So… 100% is a ridiculous coverage because it’s impractical but IMHO they are not that silly to “want” it. It’s just a simpler way to say they are scared and do not want to bother. They would rather follow the crowd than take a risk themselves and be trail blazers.
All that being said now that ProtonDB exists and Valve is actively radically improving support via Proton, that gamers see in the wild SteamDecks popping up literally around them, in flights, airports, waiting rooms, etc they just can not ignore the fact that support is improving enough to have fun. Mentality will change but it takes time and Microsoft is fighting back because despite having Azure as their dollar printing asset, they are just hooked on bundling.
I simmarily roll my eyes when people volunteer “I’ll go vegan as soon as lab grown meat is cheap, healthy and indistinguishable.” Every meat eater says this to me at some point.
Like okay, that’s nice? Lots of us live and thrive just fine without it, but even when all your hurdles are passed you’ll find some other reason.
Just own it and say you don’t care. Stop lying.
