• selokichtli@lemmy.ml
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    23 hours ago

    How do you people propose to call them? Expansionists? Colonialists? Genocidists?

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    The same way I don’t think we should capitulate to framing “cracker” as a slur, or to framing “black lives matter” as a racist thing to say, I don’t think we should capitulate to framing things like “from the river to the sea” or “zionist” as antisemitic.

    But, as a thought experiment, let’s indulge in this doublespeak trash. What is a good alternative? So far I’ve got:

    • Israeli colonizers
    • Jewish supremacists
    • genocidal sacks of shit
    • Israeli apartheidists
    • Isreal expansionists
    • Israeli warmongerers
    • people in favor of the genocide and apartheid committed by Israel (in full, every time you need to say zionist)
    • modern day nazis
    • zionazis (technically not zionist!)

    So all of this liberal crybaby nomenclature trash aside, I actually do think “zionist” is in itself a fairly useless term for the Israeli apartheid question (as Norman Finkelstein and Judith Butler do too). While one faction of zionism pursued the nakba and massacres from fairly early on, and while this faction has been quite successful, there are other notions of zionism which do not entail murdering children or colonizing a country. When Netanyahu and Chomsky can both legitimately refer to themselves as zionists, I think it’s clear that zionism is too broad a term to be useful in the current ongoing genocide and the ethnic cleansing that has been going on for the better part of a century.

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    1 day ago

    Waiting for the free-speech absolutists to boycott twitch for this (they won’t)

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    21 hours ago

    I really don’t like the censorship of speech from either side. People have a right to choose their own words and suffer the consequences for the words they choose.

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    Okay, now streamers can get more creative when refering to a zionist. I think that ‘bibi’s removed’ is a good term.

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    “How dare you use a word that means ‘genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate’ in a way that explicitly means ‘genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate’!” - Twitch, active supporters and enablers of genocidal, imperialist, apartheid ethnostates.

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      2 days ago

      All tech companies eventually enshitify and we would never be able to remember all of them if they all became slurs. Lol

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    sooo twitch declares the Zionist movement offensive? and should only discussed in sn academic sense? /s

    wow twitch, very brave!!

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      If you’re equating the Jewish people with zionism, or conflating being in favor of zionism as somehow being benevolent to the Jewish people as a whole, you are treating the Jewish people as a monolith and are yourself being anti-semitic. Zionism is perfectly compatible with anti-semitism (see for example all those anti-semitic christians who enthusiastically support zionism), and anti-zionism is in itself not anti-semitic (cf Jewish voice for peace).

      So making “zionist” a slur has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with being anti-anti-semitic or not.

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        I removed my comment because I realized after that I’ve would be interpreted like that. I don’t believe that all Jews are zionists

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          21 hours ago

          Fair enough, all good. I’m leaving mine up because I think the point about the conflation of anti-zionism and anti-semitism being in itself antisemitic bears repeating.