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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/15089465
Americans Are Open To Cheap Chinese Cars. That’s ‘Scary’ For The Rest Of The Auto Industry
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Everyone is broke as fuck we are open to cheap everything. People are living in literal sheds
I wish I could afford a shed.
Just stop spending so much money on food. Sheds will feel bigger if you are starving to death
it’s like you’ve never heard of roommates. If you get a third job and find a couple people, i’m sure you could afford to rent a shed
No, most of us are broke because we insist on ensuring that suburban mcmansions are the only places to really live. When you spend 30% on driving and 40% on housing, suddenly you are broke.
Don’t cram touchscreens and smart features into every fucking aspect of your car. Keep your costs low, keep prices low, and believe it or not, you’ll tap into the “bottom” 60% of the market that has been forced to buy used for the last 10 years. I don’t want a base trim 10 year old Honda Accord with 150k miles, but it’s all I can find for under $20k.
Touchscreens and “smart” features don’t add enough cost to justify the premium you pay for them.
The industry should meet the needs of the consumer, not the shareholder.
But that’s not the American way
Capitalism creates monopoly. The consumer’s needs can be manufactured. In a society organized around capital shareholder needs are paramount.
Auto industry looking at their overly inflated prices, “well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my actions.”
There’s all kinds of wacky taxes, regulations, and barriers to prevent the US industry from having to compete with the world. One such example is the Chicken Tax:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/chicken-tax.asp
That one keeps the Toyota Hilux out of the US.
Toyota Hilux: the middle-east terrorist’s truck of choice.
But seriously, those things are everywhere in the Middle East and Africa.
I guess you need a cheap, reliable, relatively high performance truck with good off-road capabilities with a large bed to mount weaponry on.
What else would they use?
Not scary for the auto workers who want to work on them, build them, supply parts for them, etc or the families who want affordable EVs. More scary for the wealth class who didn’t reinvest enough into updating their facilities and processes to stay competitive businesses. The government already gave them extra time with the embargo but that isn’t going to last forever.
Even Xiaomi has released the SU7, a real Tesla killer and also way cheaper. But not for the US market, but for the EU.
What’s their e-bike situation like? Are there good ones or will they blow my nuts off?
Yes
Recommendations?
Oh I was making a joke, like you posted an ‘or’ comment & I replied Yes like it will do both. 😂 Good bike, blows your balls off.
I’ve been looking at Super73 for years as a CLASSIC styling, really handsome ebike. YouTube search for things like Survival ebike, ebike for preppers. Because you’ll tap into a whole community of people that want good & tough ebikes, not flimsy crap, ebikes that should be good relatively long-term. I trust Canadian Prepper; this video is a little older but information & considerations tend to be relevant years later.
I saw another prepper cheaping it with $700-800 ebikes, if I find it I’ll post name & link…
Anyway jokes aside I hope that helps. Idk your situation but I’d almost be tempted to wait just a few more years; pandemic/oil prices have pushed so many ebikes into the wild & that has brought about soooooo much real-world testing & consumer feedback. I’m thinking the ebikes just a few years from now will be so much better, and possibly for cheaper or the same price.
In my experience preppers buy things that sit in their storage space unused. I want something I can use hard (as a cargo bike) several times per day, every day, for decades.
This is a valid criticism that we talk about…working through supply, using supply, and becoming familiar with it is actually the ideal we should all strive for. 🙂 Idk about any bike, electric or not, that can withstand hard use several times/day for decades. (o_O) But product design is getting better all the time!
Oh, I definitely know bikes that can survive hard use for decades. Of course you have to change wearing parts every X thousand km, but the bike should last generations.
What I’m unsure about is the e-bikes. I really don’t want the battery to catch fire or explode. And the motor should last generations.
This is actually super great timing. I’m guessing by safer, they mean, won’t blow your nuts off. 🤭 Might be a good community for us, too.
Some of the best bikes that last decades were built in the 1970s. There are some machines that don’t get more durable when you throw more R&D at it.
Breakthroughs in product design for nonelectric bikes have been mostly optimizing weight, but very minor improvements that don’t apply steel cargo bikes built to last generations.
If it pass safety standards without all those smart and data collection bs and being reliable for 7+ years with easy part sourcing I might give it a try.
The data collection thing is a big one for me.
EVs are cheaper to fill up than internal combustion engine cars, even in oil rich countries - Changan Eado EV, 9 Saudi Riyal (2.4USD) to drive 460km (287.5miles) - . I want to get an EV eventually, I just want to know how well can they handle +50C temperatures.
Same, but I fear the risk of the car getting hacked giving the hacker the control or an EMP attack causing the electric car to shutdown indefinitely.
The biggest con is the industry’s war to make Kei trucks illegal in the US.
All cars should cost 500k minimum and roads should stop being built, also cap all auto-industry salaries and annual shareholder payouts to 500k with the rest overflowing to the workers. Within 20years seeing a car in America will be rare, within 50years, we’ll have solved climate change.
Why not cap shareholder payouts to $0 and nationalize one of them?
That sounds like socialism. I’m proposing a market based solution which as we all know is the only possible way that things can be done.
lol
Ah yes the old “ban living in rural America” strategy, that will play well. Reliance on cars was a mistake but its too late to just pretend a lot, if not most, Americans need a car to live.
Did you know that before cars, people lived in rural america and that most of rural america was served by trains.
Cars are like 5% of co2 emmisions. Until they ban dirty ship oil and curb industry emissions (world wide), nothing will change.
Wrong: According to the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), motor vehicles produced about 22% of total U.S. greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions in 2020, making them the most significant contributor to the country’s emissions.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-greenhouse-gas-emissions
Also you should probably note that the automotive industry is also contributing to world emissions.
We will be long dead as China will have taken over the world if we implemented these policies and crippled our economy and military because of it.
Sounds good. In the meantime I’ll be taking an electric train to a brewery that is currently a 2hr drive from me since I’m no longer slaving away so that MIC executives can build planes that don’t fly, for a war that isn’t going to happen.
You certainly won’t be doing that in America lol. Unrealistic in the next 30 years at least.
Have to keep going and ensure survival so that we can get to that point.
Jokes on you, I can actually already take a train from Chicago to Kalamazoo and enjoy a beer from Bell’s Brewery. It’s not a high-speed train to get there, but that can be upgraded if there was ever the desire to do so.
I feel like a lot people on Lemmy, and people in left-leaning spaces in general, kind of have a blind spot on this one. People get that buying local is good, but not buying American.
It matters where your money goes. People complain about the soullessness of modern American life, and how hard it is to find a good job, and how democracies are backsliding around the globe, and then they buy things from China that are cheaply made and, at most, slightly better value in the long run.
This isn’t me trying to be nationalist or xenophobic but whenever anyone (including me because there’s no way to completely avoid it nowadays) buys Chinese goods you are supporting a government that is aggressively un-democratic, that actively supports Russia, and also has basically zero labor laws and an absolutely enormous wealth gap between the ruling class and the working class.
And yeah I get a lot of Americans are hurting right now due to inflation but the solution isn’t to send money overseas. The best thing you can do for your neighbor is buy union and buy American.
lmfao more people in china believe their govt is democratic than in the usa 😂
ah, but don’t you know that all 1.4 billion people are brainwashed and can’t think for themselves??? Something something tiny man square???
basically zero labor laws
You have no idea what you’re talking about, like at all. Even shitty Wikipedia says they do.
Their labor conditions are significantly worse than modern American work conditions let’s not kid ourselves. Although this never bothers people when it comes to goods made in Mexico.
Yes, let’s try to pick apart the one hyperbolic statement he made and completely ignore all of his other valid points. Let’s also link a very biased article about Wikipedia that has absolutely nothing to do with anything as some sort of proof that China is some bastion for workers rights. It’s not like they literally force people into labor camps simply for being minorities or anything.
The US is far from perfect but let’s not pretend they somehow have worse labor rights than freaking China.
also has basically zero labor laws and an absolutely enormous wealth gap between the ruling class and the working class.
Article 17(2) of the Revised Company Law now stipulates that the assembly of employee representatives shall be the basic form of the democratic corporate governance system and that this shall apply to all companies. That means, regardless of whether a company is private or state-owned, whether it is a limited liability or a stock corporation. This is a notable development, as democratic corporate governance as a requirement for all companies is set out in national law for the first time.
An Employee Assembly shall be convened at least once a year, and more than two-thirds of the employee representatives must be present at the plenary session of an Employee Assembly. Elections and votes on relevant matters at an Employee Assembly require a majority of all employee representatives.
don’t be too hard on him, americans are taught from birth bizarre propaganda about their country, they can’t help it naturally
Buying local/national is fine when the quality is there. But I’m not putting my face into a grinder just to bail out American corporations.
Voting with your dollar is a myth (it’s a myth that workers have any vote, not that the dollar controls the imperial core). China offering a viable alternative to not being able to afford cars because companies have arbitrarily inflated prices is great. Arbitrarily spending a lot more money that will mostly go to shareholders in the US is not going to help the worker
Voting with your dollar is a myth? So if the IDF (or ISIS, if you prefer) drops an amazing new EV for $10k, with all money going straight to weapons procurement, you’d buy it?
Very much a strawman argument. China can offer cheap electric cars because they aren’t paying american car company CEOs. Also, your argument supposes that American manufacturers aren’t supporting IDF…
The IDF? No. China? Absolutely!
“Buying American” would be exporting money for me, and there’s no domestic car manufacturing anymore. So I’m sending money overseas no matter what I buy, and it’s probably all made in China anyway… :P
