I’m sorry for posting this here. There isn’t a solar panel instance, nor did I see anything for electricians. I know there’s been a lot of gripe with certain solar companies (solgen being in litigation, and others) but I didn’t hear much about freedom forever, since they’re new to Seattle area where I’m doing this. Reddit seems to hate this company. But the price seems alright. I’m paying $22k for 7.4kw but getting it down to 15k after the state stipend. Less than $3 a watt which I’m guessing is really good. I’m planning to pay it off in 2 or 3 years. Not the full 25 which will cost me so much more. Can anyone point me in the right direction and if I’m making the right decision?
This blew my mind as an Australian, I had a 9.9kw system installed for about $3200AUD from memory, there was a rebate but I’m unsure how much.
I get a minimum like 18kw a day on really cloudy days and up to high 50s on a good summer day. No batteries but it’s drastically reduced my power bill.
Straya is living in the year 3024 with regards to solar. We’re all very jealous of your success in this particular endeavor.
Do they ever get rain down there though? Feels like there’s a lot of sun compared to like Europe
They’ve got better conditions with regards to the amount of sunlight, yes, but I was mainly referring to the incredible price tag of the installed system.
So long as you understand that you’re paying out the ass for a company to do it. It’s actually very simple to do yourself, and if you’re willing to do it yourself for $20,000 you can get 20 KW of solar panels, 12 KW of inverter output and 32 KWh of battery storage from signature solar.
It’s not difficult to do, it’s not difficult to do properly and to code and safely. The amount that these people charge for the labor is fucking asinine and wildly out of line with the difficulty of the work done.
I have at this point installed three solar systems two for myself and one for a friend all of them have been inspected by Master electricians and passed and the only information I used was solar DIY Forum posts and YouTube videos
Mam that is tempting. I’m an electrician but I never dove into photovoltaics.
As the other guy said, the only hard parts for you will be to negotiate staying on the grid or cutting off completely.
I ran all the numbers and you are paying a ridiculous price for solar. You will see it pay it self off in 50 years, which I doubt you will care about at all once you are 50 years older or giving the house to your next of kin.
What numbers? I ran the numbers to purchase 18 panels with IQ8+ micro inverters, the solar edge inverter, the infrastructure and misc and it came out to just $3-4k under the $15k I’ll be paying. That $3-4k covers will be the cost of install and to get me onto PSE’s last few 1 to 1 net metering programs.
Your screenshot shows 20k spent. I’m assuming you mean after federal tax rebate. As for what numbers
For example with a goal of about 20k spent This bundle gets you 12Kw of inverter output and 30Kwh of batteries for 11k. Then just grab two Of these solar panel pallets for 28Kw of panels. Or Alternatively go smaller with just one pallet and save a bit. Then ofc you will get the 30% federal tax credit on top of everything
So far as i can see from your invoice you won’t have any battery storage, your inverter is less than 4k output. So for the same price you could get 3x the inverter capacity, actually have battery, meaning even during a complete blackout you would still be able to have power, and get 3x as much solar array. Or you could get a similarly sized system for a fraction of the price. EG4 also has a larger inverter than can do the metering if you want that so could trade the 2x pallets for 1x with backfeed inverter
OK that’s amazing. Thank you for this information. Yes with the rebate I’m paying $15k.
That was my concern, if I do it myself would I still get the rebate. I’ll call PSE on Monday and ask if I will get the rebate and if I can also opt into the 1 to 1 net metering.
You can, they require full wiring diagrams for approval and inspection by a master electrician. One of the setups i did was for PSE in Washington. Federal tax credit counts as well in diy
I’m taking my master exam in 3 weeks lol. How I know so little about photovoltaics is embarrassing. But I can get a diagram and design built easily enough. I’ll call them Monday to discuss what they need.
Their pricing looks good, you’re getting black on black modules and optimizers for a bit over $2 per watt after incentives. As someone who works in the industry I’d say that’s a pretty decent price.
Awesome! Well thank you. That’s basically all I really needed. I didn’t see any red flags other than the fact that they were sales people. Promoting a company that just came to Washington in January so I understand trying to get their foot in the door.
I made sure to get the quote and BOM so everything lines up after install.
Old time solar user here. I installed a 2.4KW system myself in 2003. Initial cost $16K, reimbursed half of that. We never regretted the cost - only wish we could have installed more. Now we also want batteries.
PS: Have you already considered posting to c/SolarDIY, or searching by “solar” in the Communities page?
I did a search but the DIY one had 24 members or something.
Yeah, but there’s… SolarDIY - 345 subscribers
Mentioning the obvious things: Remember that depending on your location, you will not get full sunlight everyday of the year. The orientation of your roof and whether it’s pointed toward the sun also matters. If you have any young trees around you, they might grow and cast a shadow on your roof. If you have neighbors, they might plant trees.
You can use Project Sunroof to roughly estimate the average sunlight your location receives during a full year (accounting for weather conditions): https://sunroof.withgoogle.com/
It’s about what I paid for an 8kw system in the northeast. Shave off $500-$1k and you’ll be even with me. I got quotes from a dozen companies if that helps. After sifting through new, old companies and “too good to be true” pricing, that’s where I landed.
Seems high. I paid about that much for 7kw panels, 6kw inverter, and 15kwh batteries. You aren’t getting the batteries, which are about $4k installed. Texas
I wonder if Seattle is just more expensive. $3/watt is the average here per online info. That’s just the panel inverter install.
PSE is also doing a 1 to 1 net metering.
I paid 26k for 8.4kw three years ago from A&R solar in Seattle.
What have they promised for your annual production estimate? Also what’s your current cost of power?
I pay approximately $200 for electrical monthly. At least that was my last bill, about $210 for electrical using 11kw or so. They promise me 7.4kw monthly. So whatever that is yearly. I didn’t want a full system. I wanted to start with 1 roof, get the permits and incentives and the net metering started then add to the system later if I wanted.
Sorry for the industry jargon, but measuring things in kW won’t give you the full picture, you want to compare things in “kWh”. Your utility bill should show your price in $/kWh and the solar company should have given you a production estimate from Helioscope or some kind of similar energy estimating software that shows expected annual kWh output
Change my kw with kwh. Those are kwh numbers for daily use. Sorry, I’m an electrician. I’ve been load calc’ing my VAV loads for my project, and I’ve been writing kw all day.
The price seems ok. There’s more to consider than price though. Do people dislike them because of the quality of their work?
I mean not really. Most of what everyone said is that they didn’t install what they quoted, or that they had trouble with customer support, tried suing or something like that. I don’t expect litigation. I got them to give me their quote and scope, so I know what they promised is what’s going in.
If they don’t install what was quoted, you might not know until this are installed. That could make things difficult.
I’ll add that is around the size of my system and less than I paid. I do have microinverters however. So that could explain some cost difference.
Then they can pay to remove it. Violation of contract. I didn’t agree to equivalent panels. I agreed to what they quoted and what I paid for.
Hmm. Did you take out a loan? I’m doing this with a 25 year loan. It’s a little pricy to do that
I did a 5 year “solar loan” through my credit union. 2.49% if I recall correctly.