The communist party is a working class party. What exactly do you think the purpose of a party is? And what do you think class is? You seem confused on each.
No just one out of every 14 people, which you may notice is many thousands of times more democratic than any of the western so-called democracies by percentage.
So 13 out of 14 people do not belong to the only political coalition (the 8 parties with 700,000 members total don’t really count as “opposition parties”) that is legally allowed in their country?
In reference to my original post, we agree that authoritarianism is bad and you are arguing the case that China and the CCP is not authoritarian, correct?
Let’s be honest, if they supported your position, you would have no issue with them. You’re only dismissing them out of hand because they contradict your assumptions.
They have no interest in portraying China positively, when a person or source you mistrust publishes something against their best interest it makes it a lot more likely that it’s true (like the CIA saying the USSR was democratic despite being enemies)
Oh, two corporate entities tightly bound up with American imperialism and who therefore have every incentive to lie in the opposite direction?
Like yeah dude, it’s a Harvard study, of course they’re tangled up in US bourgeoisie shit. If it was a Chinese survey you’d be dismissing it for not being a Harvard study
A state the exists as a servant to a citizenry that is not limited to class or ethnicity. A state served as a safeguard to the human rights of all humans within its sovereignty.
It also serves as a mechanism to efficiently direct resources to human advancement as basic needs are automated.
You just described the PRC, and notably not capitalist dictatorships, whose governments don’t represent their people / working class, but the interests of capitalists only.
You desperately need to get past this poli-sci-intro-level understanding of what states are. States are organizations of force for one class (meaning in Marxism their relationship to production) to oppress another. The USA and other liberal countries are capitalist dictatorships over workers, while the PRC is a worker’s dictatorship over capital.
Finland lost ww2 as a member of the axis. The finnish army aided in the siege and starvation of Leningrad, which was one of the worst atrocities of ww2.
After they lost the war, they ceded part of their territory to become an SSR, and were never strong enough again to challenge the eastern bloc.
You start out in 1954 by saying, “C___k c___k c___k” By 1968 you can’t say “c___k”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, authoritarianism, tiny guy square, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about social credit scores and the seven dash line, and all these things you’re talking about are totally distorted fever dreams and a byproduct of them is, Chinese people get treated with inherent suspicion.… “Chinese propaganda” is much more abstract than even the Russian bot thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “C___k, c___k.”
The country that was a Nazi ally and didn’t drop the swastika from their air force insignia until 2025? Finland the country currently implementing mass austerity while giving tax cuts to the rich? That Finland?
The Finnish Air Force swastika is such an interesting case to me, because the moment you do a google for “Finnish air force swastika”, you are blasted with rationalizations: “predates nazism”, “good luck charm”, “innocent”, “unrelated to Hitler”. You get blasted with rationalizations before you can even see the history: which is that the innocent wholesome chungus dude who brought the swastika was Hermann Göring’s brother in law lol.
Finland? Where despite years of protest by the people, the state continues to buy Israeli weapons and cooperate with the zionist entity in the development of military tech and spyware? The state currently ignoring the very clear wishes of it’s people in order to aid and abet a historically unpopular genocide?
State >>> people
The people control the state in China, though.
The communist party controls the state, and not everyone is a member.
So then every country is authoritarian, because no country is controlled by a party that every citizen is a member of.
The communist party is a working class party. What exactly do you think the purpose of a party is? And what do you think class is? You seem confused on each.
No just one out of every 14 people, which you may notice is many thousands of times more democratic than any of the western so-called democracies by percentage.
So 13 out of 14 people do not belong to the only political coalition (the 8 parties with 700,000 members total don’t really count as “opposition parties”) that is legally allowed in their country?
In reference to my original post, we agree that authoritarianism is bad and you are arguing the case that China and the CCP is not authoritarian, correct?
They seem to be doing a pretty good job
No. We disagree that “authoritarianism” is a meaningful distinction when every government exists by authority. Might as well call it “badguyism”
Why do you believe the “democracy perceptions index”?
Take a look at their supporters… like Palantir and Microsoft.
Let’s be honest, if they supported your position, you would have no issue with them. You’re only dismissing them out of hand because they contradict your assumptions.
They have no interest in portraying China positively, when a person or source you mistrust publishes something against their best interest it makes it a lot more likely that it’s true (like the CIA saying the USSR was democratic despite being enemies)
Oh, two corporate entities tightly bound up with American imperialism and who therefore have every incentive to lie in the opposite direction?
Like yeah dude, it’s a Harvard study, of course they’re tangled up in US bourgeoisie shit. If it was a Chinese survey you’d be dismissing it for not being a Harvard study
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“I’m not gonna listen because my government has already told me that Enemy is Bad”
Worldview so fragile
So what’s a non-authoritarian state?
A state the exists as a servant to a citizenry that is not limited to class or ethnicity. A state served as a safeguard to the human rights of all humans within its sovereignty.
It also serves as a mechanism to efficiently direct resources to human advancement as basic needs are automated.
So, China
You just described the PRC, and notably not capitalist dictatorships, whose governments don’t represent their people / working class, but the interests of capitalists only.
You desperately need to get past this poli-sci-intro-level understanding of what states are. States are organizations of force for one class (meaning in Marxism their relationship to production) to oppress another. The USA and other liberal countries are capitalist dictatorships over workers, while the PRC is a worker’s dictatorship over capital.
Here are some resources:
I meant like can you give an example of one
Also:
So like China
Finland
Finland is an imperialist country governed by capitalists.
When was the last time Finland invaded someone?
2001-2021, participated in invasion of Afghanistan
Imperialism is an epoch of international capitalism where imperialist countries plunder the global south.
Finland lost ww2 as a member of the axis. The finnish army aided in the siege and starvation of Leningrad, which was one of the worst atrocities of ww2.
After they lost the war, they ceded part of their territory to become an SSR, and were never strong enough again to challenge the eastern bloc.
Did something happen prior to that which may have made Finland less than friendly to the Soviet Union?
I wonder why they may not have wanted to ally with the country that just invaded them.
those right wing warmongering Russophobe US bootlickers?
Didn’t Russia start a now 4 year long conflict in Ukraine
No, the US nazi puppets did
Nope, they got involved in a now 12 year long conflict in Ukraine
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Jesus, at this point why don’t you just admit that by “non-authoritarian” you just mean “white”.
What?
The liberals’ brains suspiciously always stop working the exact moment they’d have to absorb inconvenient facts
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You’re a racist.
The country that was a Nazi ally and didn’t drop the swastika from their air force insignia until 2025? Finland the country currently implementing mass austerity while giving tax cuts to the rich? That Finland?
The Finnish Air Force swastika is such an interesting case to me, because the moment you do a google for “Finnish air force swastika”, you are blasted with rationalizations: “predates nazism”, “good luck charm”, “innocent”, “unrelated to Hitler”. You get blasted with rationalizations before you can even see the history: which is that the innocent wholesome chungus dude who brought the swastika was Hermann Göring’s brother in law lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_von_Rosen
And the fact that he was himself a leading member of the Swedish National Socialist Bloc (Nazi party)
Finland? Where despite years of protest by the people, the state continues to buy Israeli weapons and cooperate with the zionist entity in the development of military tech and spyware? The state currently ignoring the very clear wishes of it’s people in order to aid and abet a historically unpopular genocide?