Anarchists aren’t communists in the sense that they aren’t advocating for Marxist communism. When one hears “communist,” they think “soviet union,” not Kropotkin. Anarchism and communism are entirely different things with different goals and methods.
Anarchism is primarily about communalization of production and distribution, while Marxism is primarily about collectivization of production and distribution.
When I say “communalization,” I mean anarchists propose horizontalist, decentralized cells, similar to early humanity’s cooperative production but with more interconnection and modern tech. When I say collectivization, I mean the unification of all of humanity into one system, where production and distribution is planned collectively to satisfy the needs of everyone as best as possible.
For anarchists, collectivized society still seems to retain the state, as some anarchists conflate administration with the state as it represents a hierarchy. For Marxists, this focus on communalism creates inter-cell class distinctions, as each cell only truly owns their own means of production, giving rise to class distinctions and thus states in the future.
For Marxists, socialism must have a state, a state can only wither with respect to how far along it has come in collectivizing production and therefore eliminating class. All states are authoritarian, but we cannot get rid of the state without erasing the foundations of the state: class society, and to do so we must collectivize production and distribution globally. Socialist states, where the working class wields its authority against capitalists and fascists, are the means by which this collectivization can actually happen, and are fully in-line with Marx’s beliefs. Communism as a stateless, classless, moneyless society is only possible post-socialism.
Abolishing the state overnight would not create the kind of society Marxists advocate for advancing towards, and if anything, would result in the resumption of competition and the resurgance of capitalism if Marx and Engels predictions are correct.
None of this was specific to Marxism-Leninism, but Marxism in general.
Okay, that was great and informative, but doesn’t disprove my point. Those people still identify as communist and that’s just as valid as your self identification as communist. The difference is still in the nature of it being authoritative, which is what gets you called tankie, not the communist bit. If you want to stop all communists from getting labeled as tankie, then stop identifying the two things as being interchangeable, especially when they aren’t interchangeable and the people using them are telling you exactly how they aren’t interchangeable.
When I said “tankie is a pejorative for communist,” I meant communist in the way most people think of the term. If you want to call anarchists communists, even if I think that is more confusing than clarifying due to the dramatic differences in communalization vs. Collectivization, then I’ll restate it for you: “tankie is a pejorative for Marxist,” then. While I have seen anarchists get called “tankie” before, it’s overwhelmingly used against Marxists, and when the average person hears communist they think of Marxism, not anarchism.
Idk, maybe you should just use fucking google like an adult and understand that it is aimed at auth communists and that people using it to target nonauth communists is such an incredibly small number that it’s not even worth noting. The experience you are describing is within a vacuum of leftist infighting where liberals sometimes poke their head in to chime in with stupid fuck opinions. Obviously some stupid liberal fuck is going to see the criticism a genuine leftist levied at a genuine auth communist and not understand what the insult means.
Wow why do you feel the need to be so aggressive. I’m simply pointing out that no matter what Google tells you in reality it’s simply used as a slur leftists who don’t tow the anti-communist line right. If you don’t tow the anti-communist line just right it doesn’t matter what you are you will be called a tankie.
To talk about disparagingly or insultingly. adjective
Disparaging; belittling.
Implying or imputing evil; depreciatory; disparaging; unfavorable.
It’s a slur, or a pejorative, whichever you prefer to use. You should learn what words mean. English isn’t even my first or second language yet I managed to do it before speaking on it.
English isn’t prescriptivist, it’s descriptivist. I’m sorry for assuming English was your first language.
A slur is like a more advanced pejorative that you shouldn’t say, usually because it targets people who can’t change whatever trait is being targetted. Tankie isn’t a slur, because I’m allowed to call you a tankie all day. Hope that helped!
I still disagree with you, there’s definitely some misfires and people misusing the term, but the majority of people who use the word know that it’s a pejorative for exclusively authoritarian communists, usually specifically those who would look the other way when their “socialist” government commits atrocities.
😭😭 literally anyone who would call themself an anarchocommunist for starters. Let’s not play dumb, shall we?
I would call myself an anarchocommunist, guess I’m not a tankie then?
Whoa! Exactly!
Lol. I’ll make sure to direct the endless hoard of shitlibs that call me one to you
Genuinely, do it
Will do lol
Anarchists aren’t communists in the sense that they aren’t advocating for Marxist communism. When one hears “communist,” they think “soviet union,” not Kropotkin. Anarchism and communism are entirely different things with different goals and methods.
Anarchism is primarily about communalization of production and distribution, while Marxism is primarily about collectivization of production and distribution.
When I say “communalization,” I mean anarchists propose horizontalist, decentralized cells, similar to early humanity’s cooperative production but with more interconnection and modern tech. When I say collectivization, I mean the unification of all of humanity into one system, where production and distribution is planned collectively to satisfy the needs of everyone as best as possible.
For anarchists, collectivized society still seems to retain the state, as some anarchists conflate administration with the state as it represents a hierarchy. For Marxists, this focus on communalism creates inter-cell class distinctions, as each cell only truly owns their own means of production, giving rise to class distinctions and thus states in the future.
For Marxists, socialism must have a state, a state can only wither with respect to how far along it has come in collectivizing production and therefore eliminating class. All states are authoritarian, but we cannot get rid of the state without erasing the foundations of the state: class society, and to do so we must collectivize production and distribution globally. Socialist states, where the working class wields its authority against capitalists and fascists, are the means by which this collectivization can actually happen, and are fully in-line with Marx’s beliefs. Communism as a stateless, classless, moneyless society is only possible post-socialism.
Abolishing the state overnight would not create the kind of society Marxists advocate for advancing towards, and if anything, would result in the resumption of competition and the resurgance of capitalism if Marx and Engels predictions are correct.
None of this was specific to Marxism-Leninism, but Marxism in general.
Okay, that was great and informative, but doesn’t disprove my point. Those people still identify as communist and that’s just as valid as your self identification as communist. The difference is still in the nature of it being authoritative, which is what gets you called tankie, not the communist bit. If you want to stop all communists from getting labeled as tankie, then stop identifying the two things as being interchangeable, especially when they aren’t interchangeable and the people using them are telling you exactly how they aren’t interchangeable.
When I said “tankie is a pejorative for communist,” I meant communist in the way most people think of the term. If you want to call anarchists communists, even if I think that is more confusing than clarifying due to the dramatic differences in communalization vs. Collectivization, then I’ll restate it for you: “tankie is a pejorative for Marxist,” then. While I have seen anarchists get called “tankie” before, it’s overwhelmingly used against Marxists, and when the average person hears communist they think of Marxism, not anarchism.
I’ve seen anarchists like Diva get called tankies for not towing the anti-communist line hard enough though, so it seems you’ve been misinformed.
Idk, maybe you should just use fucking google like an adult and understand that it is aimed at auth communists and that people using it to target nonauth communists is such an incredibly small number that it’s not even worth noting. The experience you are describing is within a vacuum of leftist infighting where liberals sometimes poke their head in to chime in with stupid fuck opinions. Obviously some stupid liberal fuck is going to see the criticism a genuine leftist levied at a genuine auth communist and not understand what the insult means.
Wow why do you feel the need to be so aggressive. I’m simply pointing out that no matter what Google tells you in reality it’s simply used as a slur leftists who don’t tow the anti-communist line right. If you don’t tow the anti-communist line just right it doesn’t matter what you are you will be called a tankie.
I feel the need to get aggressive because I don’t need to hear this drivel you’re pushing. A slur bro? Everything is a slur now? Grow the fuck up.
slur /slûr/
transitive verb
Synonym of Pejorative
To talk about disparagingly or insultingly. adjective
Disparaging; belittling.
Implying or imputing evil; depreciatory; disparaging; unfavorable.
It’s a slur, or a pejorative, whichever you prefer to use. You should learn what words mean. English isn’t even my first or second language yet I managed to do it before speaking on it.
English isn’t prescriptivist, it’s descriptivist. I’m sorry for assuming English was your first language.
A slur is like a more advanced pejorative that you shouldn’t say, usually because it targets people who can’t change whatever trait is being targetted. Tankie isn’t a slur, because I’m allowed to call you a tankie all day. Hope that helped!
Ok so everything else I said stands just put pejorative in place for slur.
I still disagree with you, there’s definitely some misfires and people misusing the term, but the majority of people who use the word know that it’s a pejorative for exclusively authoritarian communists, usually specifically those who would look the other way when their “socialist” government commits atrocities.