Tankie is a pejorative for authoritarian communists.
This isn’t inside the group? It might be publicly viewable, but it’s still .ml. This is .ml territory. It specifically shouldn’t be an echo chamber.
I understand what you’re saying, but this is the in group.
I don’t think it’s full of yourself at all to consider time and place when being critical, but I think also that this whole idea of “strategic criticism”, simply put, looks- no, is- incredibly dishonest.
Is bad empanada a tankie? I’m not completely familiar. I don’t follow any big political content (I’ve seen hasan clips on youtube and like liberal stuff like dean on tiktok). I try to avoid being parasocial. It sucks bcos I didn’t know Andrew Callaghan was a sex pest or whatever bcos I was really into his on the ground independent reporting. I also have never read any theory. I’m not a particularly educated person- certainly lightyears ahead of the average American citizen just by merit that I did “gifted kid good” in k-12 and took some college courses.
I don’t know that all marxist leninists are tankies. Idrc much. Are you all authoritarian? If so, I do think I understand why mls would think a state authority (ran by the people) is good or at least can be good, but I also think a lot of them are inclined to be intellectually dishonest when it suits them. Me, too, sometimes.
I use tankie, personally, more often to refer explicitly to authoritarian communists who are willing to overlook atrocities committed by “their side”.
I understand it could be applied to any authoritarian communist, however, but I really don’t know that it would be fair to call you ALL tankies.
However, some people (Cowbee, for example) do like to intentionally conflate being a “tankie” with being a communist- which is CERTAINLY not true. It is debatable whether anarchocommunism is feasible, not debateable whether its adherents exist. So you can definitely be a communist and not a tankie.
Oh, we can’t “hold China accountable”? We can’t start a people’s movement to hold the bad actors accountable? Huh. Almost seems like that’s a giant fucking issue. The people have no means of holding the government accountable?
I’m not saying doing anti-China propaganda has a prerequisite of me hating China. I prettttty clearly laid out to you what propaganda is. You keep saying “I don’t know, what’s propaganda, what distinguishes it from political messaging that isn’t propaganda”. And then I told you. And then you said “yeah, guess we disagree, I don’t understand the difference.”
I’ll repeat it for you.
Target - propaganda has a target audience. It is aimed at specific people or demographics of people, or in specific locations where it will reach specific people or demographics of people.
Intention - This is done with specific intention to spread a particular political message.
Means of transmission: Who is being reached, how, how many.
A comment in a thread? Not propaganda. A singular conversation? Not propaganda. A post which creates the thread, generates attention, and is the first/main thing most people will see? Propaganda. A pattern of conversations with intention to spread a particular message? PropandaZ
“Tankie” is just a pejorative for communists, used against those with views common to communists. No socialist state is perfect, of course, but many preconceived notions about socialist states are flat out wrong, so communists get called “tankies” for giving a more accurate picture.
No, again, you are intentionally trying to mislead readers into believing something false to be true. Not all communists are tankies, and whenever we call you tankies, it’s not because you’re communist.
Tankie is a pejorative for authoritarian communists.
This isn’t inside the group? It might be publicly viewable, but it’s still .ml. This is .ml territory. It specifically shouldn’t be an echo chamber.
I understand what you’re saying, but this is the in group.
I don’t think it’s full of yourself at all to consider time and place when being critical, but I think also that this whole idea of “strategic criticism”, simply put, looks- no, is- incredibly dishonest.
Is bad empanada a tankie? I’m not completely familiar. I don’t follow any big political content (I’ve seen hasan clips on youtube and like liberal stuff like dean on tiktok). I try to avoid being parasocial. It sucks bcos I didn’t know Andrew Callaghan was a sex pest or whatever bcos I was really into his on the ground independent reporting. I also have never read any theory. I’m not a particularly educated person- certainly lightyears ahead of the average American citizen just by merit that I did “gifted kid good” in k-12 and took some college courses.
I don’t know that all marxist leninists are tankies. Idrc much. Are you all authoritarian? If so, I do think I understand why mls would think a state authority (ran by the people) is good or at least can be good, but I also think a lot of them are inclined to be intellectually dishonest when it suits them. Me, too, sometimes.
I use tankie, personally, more often to refer explicitly to authoritarian communists who are willing to overlook atrocities committed by “their side”.
I understand it could be applied to any authoritarian communist, however, but I really don’t know that it would be fair to call you ALL tankies.
However, some people (Cowbee, for example) do like to intentionally conflate being a “tankie” with being a communist- which is CERTAINLY not true. It is debatable whether anarchocommunism is feasible, not debateable whether its adherents exist. So you can definitely be a communist and not a tankie.
Oh, we can’t “hold China accountable”? We can’t start a people’s movement to hold the bad actors accountable? Huh. Almost seems like that’s a giant fucking issue. The people have no means of holding the government accountable?
I’m not saying doing anti-China propaganda has a prerequisite of me hating China. I prettttty clearly laid out to you what propaganda is. You keep saying “I don’t know, what’s propaganda, what distinguishes it from political messaging that isn’t propaganda”. And then I told you. And then you said “yeah, guess we disagree, I don’t understand the difference.”
I’ll repeat it for you.
Target - propaganda has a target audience. It is aimed at specific people or demographics of people, or in specific locations where it will reach specific people or demographics of people.
Intention - This is done with specific intention to spread a particular political message.
Means of transmission: Who is being reached, how, how many.
A comment in a thread? Not propaganda. A singular conversation? Not propaganda. A post which creates the thread, generates attention, and is the first/main thing most people will see? Propaganda. A pattern of conversations with intention to spread a particular message? PropandaZ
“Tankie” is just a pejorative for communists, used against those with views common to communists. No socialist state is perfect, of course, but many preconceived notions about socialist states are flat out wrong, so communists get called “tankies” for giving a more accurate picture.
No, again, you are intentionally trying to mislead readers into believing something false to be true. Not all communists are tankies, and whenever we call you tankies, it’s not because you’re communist.
Can you give some examples of “non-tankie” communists?