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Smackyroon@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 23 days ago

"China is AuThORItAriAN!" - Liberals

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Smackyroon@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 23 days ago
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      It’s good for the working classes to wield state authority against capitalists and fascists. To not do so would be to allow capitalism to reform, and the alternative is capitalist authority used against the working classes.

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        But China is capitalist.

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          Wrong.

          Is China State Capitalist?

          • The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee.
          • Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
          • Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values?
          • Didn’t China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn’t it liberalize its economy? Is China’s drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies?
          • Is the CPC committed to communism?
          • The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
          • The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism?
          • Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism?
          • Isn’t China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn’t it fully planned like the USSR was?
          • Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries.
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          No, it isn’t. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state, it’s socialist. What do you think socialism and capitalism are? Vibes?

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            I’m convinced (based off interactions I’ve had on NextDoor) a lot of people think capitalism=uses money. But also that socialism/communism=failed/corrupted capitalism. China looking better than the USA nowadays means they have to be capitalist since they obviously aren’t failing.

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              That’s certainly how some people see it! Liberals look at China’s success and some try to twist that into a victory for capitalism, even if that doesn’t actually describe China’s success accurately.

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      I want you to really try to make a singular definition of Authoritarianism and Libertarianism that applies to all examples you would classify as authoritarian or libertarian. Is it theoretically possible for them to exist at the same time in the same place? Would that be a common definition? If not, why is your definition different and more importantly do you have enough evidence to justify having a different definition from the majority of people who use those terms?

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          Willful ignorance is not ignorance.

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      And all states are authoritarian, so it loses its explanatory value and is a useless term when used to isolate and describe individual states.

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