I’m of the view that this is a semantic question where we have a word, “pile”, that describes a general amount but doesn’t have a specified quantity to it, and so the only way we can determine the amount of units required to constitute a pile at the bare minimum, is through public consensus on the most commonly shared idea we generally have when we think of a pile.

I also think it’s possible for there to be a “range of graduation” between a non-pile and a pile, so for example “a non-pile becomes a pile somewhere between x grains and x grains” (depending on what most people think this range is), and if a given number of grains falls below this range, it would necessarily be only a minority of people that would still accept it to be a pile.

So I plan to count the answers here and see if we can come to some kind of consensus or at least most common or average opinion. For sake of not skewing the results, I won’t suggest my opinion on what I think the number or range of grains is upon which a non-pile becomes a pile. What do you think it is?

  • los_chill@programming.dev
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    6 months ago

    I understand “pile” more as an orientation than an amount. You could have a million grains of sand all in a row and I’d call it something like a “line” of sand rather than a “pile”. To that end I’d say the minimum would maybe be 4 grains arranged in a triangular pyramid?

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    6 months ago

    It becomes a pile at the point where any further grains dropped are likely to come to rest on top of existing grains. So there’s not a specific number, but a statistical change in behaviour to be a pile.

    My 2c.

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    6 months ago

    My 2¢:

    1. If there is only one “pile”:
    • then 4 grains makes a pile. 3 grains form a base and 1 grain on top, making it three dimensional.
    1. If there is more than one “pile”:
    • then 2 separated grains makes a pile each. Because you can point to each singular grain and say “this pile…”, for example.

    Thoughts?

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      6 months ago

      2 grains side by side with a grain on top perpendicular makes a 3 pile. Two rocks balanced on top of each other is a pile, yes?

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    6 months ago

    When you give up and stop counting, it becomes a pile.

    Edi: And if you give up without even attempting to count, then it’s officially a “shitload”.