I like your attitude, but no one is right all the time. I bet you burnt a pizza once. RIP your pizza
Couldn’t even get the image right. Atlas bore not the earth, but the sky.
Have you never seen any depiction of Atlas?
Any systems of government run by people in a time of resource limits, and when money is still in wide use, will inevitably become corrupt.
Once we can have anything we want, whenever we want, then maybe we’ll be free.
It’s better for the working classes to control the state, even if corruption exists and must be actively suppressed.
The reality is that “leadership” is NOT a working class. It has power and authority over the society it leads, and power corrupts. Democracy is the only hope for society right now because it is the only form of government that has regular replacement of leadership built in.
However, the corrupting influence of money, controlled by the mega rich, will never go away, no matter what system of government you choose.
I’ll say it again, take humans out of critical leadership positions and get rid of money.
Administration is not a class in and of itself, either capitalists control the state or the working classes control the state. Power isn’t some supernatural corruptive force, either. Further, socialist countries are the only genuinely democratic countries, replacing leadership isn’t a sign of democracy, but instability and dissatisfaction with government. I don’t think you actually know what we communists are talking about, and you’re trapped in idealist and metaphysical thinking.
I’ll admit I am thinking in idealistic terms, but that is the point. I believe in punching through your targets, and not just settle for the “best of a job lot”. I hope for a society that can move beyond the types of government we’ve seen so far.
Power always corrupts. Some individuals are able to avoid this but organised groups never can. Maybe some groups are more altruistic in their goals, initially at least, but the longer they exist the more self preservationist they become. This is basic human behaviour.
I disagree with your conclusion that replacing leadership is a bad thing. If a society (communist or not) is not satisfied with the performance of its leaders they should be replaced. The power to replace leaders must be in the hands of the people, not as an exception but as routine. However, I don’t know of a communist government that allows this, unless I’ve misunderstood?
This line of thinking is idealist and deeply unserious “baby leftism”.
“Just remove leadership” and “get rid of money” is not a political program. It’s a slogan. Every class society has leadership and structures of power. The real question is which class controls them, and through what institutions.
Leadership is not automatically a separate class. Under socialism, leadership is supposed to be subordinated to proletarian power through party discipline, mass supervision, and state control over capital. Corruption is a contradiction of the socialist transition period, not proof that the entire project is invalid. Treating it that way is infantile.
Look at the CPC. They openly recognize corruption as a systemic danger and run continuous anti-corruption campaigns that jail and execute billionaires, senior officials, and generals. Compare that to liberal “democracies,” where corruption is legalized via lobbying and campaign finance and a blind eye being turned when those already blurred lines are crossed.
Take Jack Ma. When he tried to push aggressive financialization that would have subordinated productive industry to speculative capital, he was disciplined and his empire was reined in. In the United States, the same behavior is rewarded, normalized, and expanded. Finance capital literally writes policy.
In socialism, capital is constrained by the state; in capitalism, the state is owned by capital.
Saying “democracy is the only hope” without asking democracy for which class is pure liberal abstraction. Bourgeois democracy just rotates which capitalist is managing the country. It does not challenge capital itself.
And “remove humans from leadership”? That’s tech-utopian nonsense. Machines don’t resolve class contradictions. Only organized masses do.
Yes, money corrupts. Yes, corruption exists. Marxists already understand this. The answer isn’t abolishing government by decree, it’s proletarian state power, continuous class struggle, mass line, and strict control over capital during the transition to communism.
Reducing all this to “power corrupts, therefore everything is invalid” is not serious. It’s just nihilist bullshit.
Corruption is entirely linked to power. To believe that one system of government is better able to manage corruption than another is exceptionalism.
My point about getting rid of money is not a slogan, it is a key property of a society that has matured beyond such exemplars of poverty.
Until society is able to operate without hierarchical overachieving leadership, corruption will never stop. To believe that the primary leaders anywhere are not perpetuating their continued control and power is naive, and indicates some ignorance of what humans are and why they behave as they do.
Also, I’m calling big chunks of your response AI gen’d, which suggests a wish to win an argument rather than comprehend reality.
Wow bot jacketing me instead of actually contending with anything I have to say. unfortunately not the first time.
Corruption is not caused by “power” in the abstract. It’s produced by class relations and ownership of production. Every class society has authority, the issue is which class controls it. That is until class society is abolished on a global scale, but that’s so far in the future acting like it’s the next step is infantile and ridiculous.
Saying “no system handles corruption better than another” is just blatantly false. Under the Communist Party of China, billionaires and senior officials are regularly investigated, removed, and jailed. In capitalist states, corruption is legalized and encouraged pointing this out isn’t exceptionalism I’m not sure you know what that word means. Is it exceptionalism to say that liberal democracy handles representation of the people better than feudalism? Obviously not that’s ridiculous.
I’ll give the same example again as you skipped over it to bot jacket me. Jack Ma was disciplined for pushing US-style financialization. In the United States, that same behavior is rewarded and institutionalized.
“Get rid of money” without explaining how you suppress bourgeois forces, organize production, and defend society during transition is not a program, it’s a slogan. Repeating this again from earlier: money like the state only withers away after classes are abolished far in the future.
Corruption is a known contradiction of the socialist transition period. It does not delegitimize the socialist project it simply proves continuous class struggle and anti-corruption campaigns are necessary hence their implementation in socialist states under communist parties.
Where you complain about “hierarchy” you’re just doing vague “human-nature” metaphysics. This is idealism and is about as reliable as scripture for analysis.
Look I don’t want to be mean (even if I find you to be unduly arrogant and condescending and I really don’t appreciate the bot jacketing), however these comments reek of Euro-American left liberalism. All vibes no dialectical or historical materialism or really any serious analysis at all.
You effectively do the “human nature” bit which is idealist metaphysics bullshit and you really seem to lack any understanding of any leftist theory.
You really should consider studying scientific socialism and deconstructing your liberal foundations. Vibes are not analysis and that’s all you have for now. If you want I can recommend you some books/articles that can help you but I have a feeling you disagree with my framing of you.
there are very few liberals on .ml lol
“Lemmy” in the subject meaning, presumably, the broader lemmy, not Lemmy.ml in particular.
Thankfully!
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Ah, my first customer, a .world lib classic LMBO
why is it always .world ? what’s happening there ?
.world is basically reddit. So they came here expecting clone of reddit but more convenient to use on their phones, but encountered numerous communists and the exposure to non-imperialist ideas made them incredibly uncomfortable. So they proceeded to do something they always do on reddit: snitching to the admins to deplatform communists. But it didn’t work because this is decentralised fediverse, not reddit. This made them extremely mad, so they defederated from two most prolific communist instances and random encounters on .ml make them pretty aggressive.
In short, .world is basically reddit.
I genuinely don’t mean to be a dick but it’s “exposure” not “exposition”
Indeed, thank you, no offense taken.
wait, that’s actually a really clever insult that i’ve never heard before!
it has no place here though. try twitter, maybe?
