I laughed when Milton Friedman thinks free market could prevent climate change through climate dividends and carbon tax. Good luck, boyo, your “greed is good” bullshit is what led us to here.
Would you prefer that all economic action be dictated and we all work for the government?
That might actually be nice.
Might just merge corporations with government then. Might be an end to billionaires.
Collectivizing all production and distribution to satisfy the needs of everyone, ie socialism, is the answer. Not merging corporate and state power, which is the exact opposite.
It doesn’t look like the opposite. It looks the same
It’s the opposite, because in socialism the working classes are in control and production and distribution are collectivized, to satisfy the needs of all. In your fascist example, corporations are entrenched in the state, giving capitalists far more power without collectivizing production and distribution, retaining production for profit.
In both cases you have a monolithic organization running the whole show. What you call it makes little difference. And the people in charge will be of the same type.
No, this is fundamentally wrong, akin to saying NATO and doctors without borders are the same thing. If you erase every distinguishing characteristic and just look at things as “organizations” with no further investigation, you absolutely ruin your viewpoint. I already explained how a wide gulf separates fascism and socialism.
Well all right then
Found a fascist.
And I found a fool
A one day old account defending imperial capitalism. Sure you aren’t fascist.
Wouldn’t that make me an imperial capitalist?
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I get this is a meme, but it is trying to talk about something serious. It’s worth saying that fatalist arguments are actually beneficial to liberalism and capitalism. Capitalism is not going to kill us all, humans are exceptionally durable. Capitalism intends to kill us all though, whether through the dehumanization it requires to function or its inability to contend with the material limitations of reality. Climate change mitigation is a discussion around minimising the harm this system causes while it dies, and liberals often subscribe to fatalist narratives because they dont truly imagine a world that is not capitalist as one worth living in.
Yep, that’s why we need to have revolutionary optimism. Right now, incredible strides are being made by socialist countries like China to combat climate change and push for electrification and sustainability.
Humans are have been killing each other over pettiest things for millenia before capitalism. So an ~ism is not the root problem
Climate change goes beyond killing each other; it’s killing our planet’s ability to sustain our species.
Okay, let me lay out my thought to you in a longer and more boring way: humans have been idiots with no regard to consequences of their actions throughout their history, so anyone interested in fixing any problem caused by how they act has to replace current population with more evolved (read: mature, intelligent and sensible) one, there can be no other way and wasting time on anger against this or that social framework is very foolish
It sounds like you’re saying the only way to better a society is to replace all its members with ones who already agree with you. If so, I’m not real sure how to help you. Good luck with that.
Where did I say I want people who agree with me? I want more sensible people, and they are sure to disagree with me on lots of things. Buut good luck with your putting words in mouth of other people, if you want to have this conversation this way
Ok then, it sounds like you think the only way to improve society is to replace its members with ones who are “more sensible,” as defined by you. Sorry, but I’m not sure how to help you with that one either.
Lol. Do it again: how about more intelligent and mature?
And beside jokes, you know perfectly well how it is done. You are just afraid to admit it
Buddy has a USSR ghost as his profile picture, I think he has a bone to pick with capitalism specifically.
