This meme is old. Now it’s 25%
PROGRESS
stops at berlin
“I think they learned their lesson…”Fair
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This is disrespectful to common sense.
The number of people KILLED in the mentioned Gulags is in the millions. The total number of killed by the regime is estimated as ~~20 million people. The number of people imprisoned in the US is just a bit north of a million.
Having a mass murderer on a picture and trying to picture it as “wasn’t as bad as the US now” is distasteful. Have self-respect, spend effort and verify the numbers. Think critically about the picture you’re thinking to upvote.
P.S. I’m not a US citizen or resident. In terms of freedoms, both the Soviet Union was terrible, and a lot of the events happening in the US right now are terrible.
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As a Hungarian, No thanks, we don’t want russian soldiers again in our country. Can’t we agree on socialism without involving Russia?
If Russia became socialist again, genuinely what remains to be the problem?
The other traits and our autonomy.
What “other traits?” If you’re not going to clarify, it just sounds like racism.
Mostly dictatorship. I have no problems with russian people.
The RSFSR wasn’t a dictatorship, though, and there’s no reason to think they would be if Russia returned to socialism. Your comment just reads that Russians have a natural, inherent tendency towards dictatorships outside of connection to the mode of production they are in, which is why it sounds racist.
Russia cannot become socialist again because it never was socialist. It’s official regime was “communism”, but there was very little socialist about it in the way Europe is doing it now.
Public ownership was the principle aspect of the soviet economy, and the working class was in power. It was absolutely socialist, and they never claimed to reach communism. They were governed by a communist party, but were socialist. Nowhere in Europe is socialist right now, private property is the principle aspect of all European economies, with the partial exception of Belarus.
Okay, but how does this relate to the meme about prison population?
It’s the post description
Ah so everything was chill in the USSR then? Stalin didn’t have any secret police or totalitarian access to power?
No, he was a competent leader. Why on earth wouldn’t he have counterintelligence operations against the CIA and others? Do you remember what they did to their own citizens during the war “just in case we need to do it to the Soviets and not just black people 😉”. Are you advocating defenselessness against the torture regime of the USA?
Well you see, I watched half of the yellow lecture and now good thing bad and bad thing good! Its Dialectical Materialism!
Neo-Stalinism is a meme ideology that produces radical liberal bureaucrats, not revolutionaries.
But principled MLs and Maoists are much better at decolonial struggles and centralization than most of the left. And they tend to be much better educated on history and theory than the based Stalinists, and certainly most ambient liberals.
The trick is to learn to tell the difference between aspirational leftists and real ones. The real movement, you can disagree but you have to prove yourself in action because in political struggle the stakes are real. And to be effective we have to work together in evaluating and acting on what is objectively real. But in the real movement, people come from all different backgrounds, and live in all different environments that affects the way they look at social problems.
The people you’re arguing with don’t understand that the most loyal supporters that Stalin enabled in those early days after the revolution, were later executed/purged on trumped (heh) up charges of anarchism and Trotskyism. They have memorized a few apologetics for why its good actually, or never really happened. Its because they want to be actual practical organizers, but they’re still idealists who think repeating certain phrases legitimizes them. The older ML and Maoist organizers know this too, and try to educate where they can but any movement can become sectarian and self referential.
Don’t take the bait, the history is deeply contradictory no one really understands how easily it breaks people’s brains. Its better not to worry and focus on doing something real
