It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it’s users will not be allowed to proceed.
We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.
Excellent. Big corporations go against the very idea of the fediverse.
Is it possible for meta/threads not to read lemmy.ml posts as well?
Meta could fetch posts, but only read them. Meta won’t be able to follow our communities or interact with us.
Good stuff! I definitely chose the right place to make an account.
Thanks for saving us lemmy.ml Admins.
o7. We’re out here for yall, and we’re gonna make sure the fediverse stays inoculated from threats.
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It’s very strange to me that a lot of the pro-facebook views below seem to start with the base assumption that facebook is out to help the fediverse, and have no malicious motives behind all this. Its like inviting a con-man into your home because they super-promised they’ll make you rich.
Really surprising that some people can’t see through Facebooks opportunism, and are suddenly willing to trust these con-artists.
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It’s like they all have collective amnesia about the fact that Facebook was caught red handed giving children eating disorders… Just one of many of their crimes against the public.
Completely support .ml defederating. But most Twitter/Reddit exiles want/need a bigger network for the breadth and depth of content they got from those sites. Universal defederation does nothing but hand those users (and their data) to Meta.
I want to get Meta’s data without giving them my data. If there are no instances that allow me to do that, I will cry.
Thank you Lemmy.ml Meta can F off.
YOUR MOVE LEMMY.WORLD
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I hope Lemmy.world does the same.
I’m moving if they don’t.
Same. I just wish there was an easy way to transfer. I just found the communities I wanted and I don’t look forward to making a new profile and adding them all again.
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preemptively blocking an instance just because it’s owned by meta and not due to bad conduct is cringe as fuck
In what universe are you living in that meta does not have a history chock full of bad conduct?! Frog, meet scorpion.
Oh, and stop misusing “cringe” while you’re at it.
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Gonna go against the grain here a little bit, but why? If they are federated, it will mean that you can move off of threads more easily to other servers and not get locked into a walled garden. Encouraging companies to embrace federation will avoid the shit shows like we’ve seen at twitter and reddit, since users will be easily able to jump ship without much loss. Additionally, apps like threads make federated platforms much more approachable to newcomers and those who do not even know what the fediverse is.
I’d love someone to explain it to me, but this feels like a massive footgun.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
Embrace: they embrace the fediverse, bring millions of new users to it and everyone is happy. The fediverse grows and the new meta instance gets a ton of content. Everyone is happy
Extend: meta begins to add features to their instance which clashes with or is unusable with other instances. These begin to pile up and issues develop.
Extinguish: meta unfederates from other instances. People are now forced to stay where they were and lose a majority of their friends and content from metas instance. Or switch over. Mass migration away from original instances. These instances die
How is that different from defederating now?
In the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish scenario, assuming they get to “Extinguish”, the rest of the Fediverse becomes isolated and cannot connect with their friends and content.
If we defederate now, the Fediverse becomes isolated and cannot connect with Threads content, and cannot connect with friends who choose to be on Threads instead of a disconnected alternative.
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“Prevention” perhaps in the way of amputating a broken arm. If we apply the exact same scenario of the e-mail/Gmail to the Fediverse / Threads, we’re talking about a loss of (or lack of) some functions, but the foundational connection will still remain. Meta can dangle carrots with their bells and whistles, but the people who want to be on a non-corporate instance will remain here. We can still receive content & comments, and we can proselytize the benefits of a non-corporate Fediverse while still offering the same content & comments.
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So far I’ve only got a lot of unsatisfying answers (from a factual perspective). It seems to boil down to how much individuals on the fediverse fear Meta is in their capability of doing a full take-over. Personally, I feel like we’re pretty protected form that. I’ve posted my questions, and still looking for some good answers here:
It’s pretty damn simple actually. Let’s say we fully federate with Threads, what will happen?
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Threads gets a massive amount of users, they already have 20 million sign-ups on the first day! Their user base will be gigantic
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We’ll get a big influx of content (if Meta does the federation properly), huge communities will pop up on Threads and you’ll join those communities. It’s unlikely that Threads users will join communities hosted on smaller instances, why join a community with 1k users if Meta has one with 200k?
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Now Meta controls 99% of the users AND content. They can switch off federation at any moment. Maybe they cover it with “we have a new cool feature, but it breaks federation, sorry!” in that moment all our Lemmy instances lose most of their users and content. And you lose all your communities you joined
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Lemmy users will migrate to threads, because they want their content back, the fediverse dies (except for a few hundred to thousand hold-over nerds who won’t give up)
Fuck Meta.
Damn thinking about this, this is exactly what Reddit did with 3rd party apps
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Embrace openness by allowing 3rd party apps on the platform and gain user base in the process
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Once user base is high enough, start introducing features that aren’t available (chat, polls) in the API to entice users to abandon 3rd party apps for new features
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Once the users is high enough, cut 3rd party apps the fuck off and coerce users to use their app with no alternatives. Terminally online users won’t ask questions and will transition without hesitation to the official app to get their subreddit community fix.
It was even worse. Reddit didn’t make their own app, they bought a third party app (Alien Blue) and made it worse.
But nobody cared about chat, polls, bought avatars or whatever, I was happy using RIF and rather didn’t have those things. Reddit wants you to have and use those things so you spend extra money in their shop. One more reason to get rid of third party apps.
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This, starting to feel a strong astroturf vibe here because 10 people upvoted the comment above you and yet nobody downvoted yours despite them being made within an hour of each other. It’s like they have bots going and upvoting each other’s pro-Meta posts. FUCK Meta and Reddit, these types of greedy CEO’s who don’t give a rats if they make the world better or worse as long as they make a buck are exactly the reason the people needed their own solution. Meta is literally the antithesis of everything decentralization is about. How the F did these people end up here if corporate control of their communication is just fine with them?
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A welcome move. F**k megacorps polluting everything on internet.
I would like to also add this argument into the discussion, since I’ve seen a lot of people who are voting for federating with meta, with the argument that defederating just because we don’t like someone goes against the idea of Fediverse, and interconnected network of diverse servers that is should inclusive and allows people to connect.
It’s quite the contrary - allowing Meta in goes directly against the idea of Fediverse, and we should fight it as much as possible.
This is a literal quote from the main header on https://www.fediverse.to/
The fediverse is a collection of community-owned, ad-free, decentralised, and privacy-centric social networks.
Each fediverse instance is managed by a human admin. You can find fediverse instances dedicated to art, music, technology, culture, or politics.
Join the growing community and experience the web as it was meant to be.
Judging by this main selling point of the Fediverse, it sounds to me like Meta shouldn’t be in the Fediverse do begin with, and every instance should defederate from them by default.
Centralisation will always set in due to sheer complacency. I mean it has already happened. The main player in the reddit-like fediverse is lemmy.world
No other instance comes close to the size of lemmy.world
I also disagree with Metas method of tracking and monetising every last bit of data (I’m trying to get rid of their platforms myself) but to expect the fediverse to be a balanced mixture of access points is just daydreaming.I don’t expect it to be balanced. I also don’t mind that a lot of users are centralized at lemmy.world - because we know the admins, and there isn’t a largescale corporation behind them that would be capable of monetizing and manipulating their userbase. The only kind of balance I want is that there isn’t an instance with multi-billion funding and teams of engineers dedicated to squeezing their userbase and monetizing every character they type. Sure, it will inevitably happen that someone from an instance would try something like this, but that’s an acceptable risk with community-run stuff and may or may not happen - and it probably won’t be as succesfull or large-scale. However, if you let in someone you are certain will do something like that, and has unimaginable amount of resources and manpower to do it, then they will just squeeze it dry while not shying away from exploiting every single privacy mistake there is in the protocol or our implementation.
Joined a few Lemmy instances, but the admin team taking actions like these might make lemmy.ml my main place to go. Anything corporate is irredeemable.
Whenever I see Zuck I think of this song “Is Mark Zuckerberg a Ghost” by Nap Eyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq2YhOY55zU
Also, this is the right move. Facebook/Meta only wants to harvest our data and profit off it.
