• ChillPenguin@lemmy.world
      66·
      1 month ago

      Idk why there’s such a pissing match in this post. Like honestly. Both our governments are shit. Why is this even a debate as to whose government is committing war crimes more? Your comment is the best comment here by far.

      • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
        92·
        1 month ago

        If a serial murderer told you that their victims were actually much worse than they are, would you believe them?

        Yet the source of pretty much all anti-china atrocity propaganda is the US and its orgs like the victims of communism foundation. They want you to believe every single country they hate, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc… are guilty of the same crimes they are. Why do you believe them?

  • Deestan@lemmy.world
    3314·
    2 months ago

    Which country allows their citizens to openly speak about and protest said war crimes?

    • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
      566·
      2 months ago

      Americans have jesters privilege. We can say anything we want as long as it doesn’t matter. As soon as the government thinks it might matter, they have a million tools to silence you.

      • rational_lib@lemmy.world
        21·
        1 month ago

        As soon as the government oligarchs who own the media thinks it might matter, they have a million tools to silence you.

        But it’s also worth noting that the Chinese don’t even have that. At least in America, you can get your message out by getting a billionaire to agree with you.

      • HandBash@lemmy.world
        33·
        1 month ago

        Did they bring in some tanks as well? Or if they did are we allowed to talk about it?

        • SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world
          5·
          1 month ago

          Outside of “Chinese man gets removed from his league of legends match cause a player talked about tiananmen square” memes, what do you know about Chinese censorship?

          Talking out your ass

          • HandBash@lemmy.world
            14·
            1 month ago

            When was the last demonstration made against central leadership? Or everyone just loves it there? Why do they have a firewall that blocks youtube?

            • SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world
              3·
              1 month ago

              I’m gonna answer that last one cause it’s the only one I know lol.

              So you know how we are banning tiktok because we are afraid of China influencing America? So fun fact, America does that. We are like, cultural colonists. We have created a sort of global super culture that has gotten into every countries lives.

              And we have 100% used that as a sort of “in” with locals in countries we were not friends and then we would use that influence to radicalize the right wing ideologies in the country and cause destabilization and, all things going well, revolutions. See: all of south America and the Middle East (hi Afghanistan).

              So with all that in mind. With the world’s greatest super power systematically using its cultural influence as a soft power start with encouraging revolutions in your country for its own geo political gain. All that in mind. It’s kinda the most obvious move in the world. The US is doing it right now because they “perceived” it happening to us. If China became a big cultural export to the world you’d bet your ass that we would great firewall ourselves off. We just don’t have to. Because we are big dog. Woof woof. And China don’t have a large amount of cultural export.

              Sidenote. A Chinese company, tencent was making investments into videogames. They own riot who make league of legends and they have been getting their finger into a lot of studios for that sweet gamer money. The US gov said this game investment company is “apart of the Chinese military” lol.

          • HandBash@lemmy.world
            15·
            1 month ago

            I know that they don’t like people asking for a free Tibet and independence for Hong Kong. Are there any good mainstream Chinese media articles that talk about these subjects?

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
      144·
      2 months ago

      Well the US doesn’t. China is hard to say because it’s not constantly at war

    • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
      177·
      2 months ago

      China, but also the PRC hasn’t been in a war in like 50+ years. Meanwhile the US killed a million innocent people in Iraq, and goes after whistleblowers like Assange, Snowden, and Manning for speaking out about its war crimes. And the Obama administration prosecuted a record number of whistleblowers, and had a zero tolerance policy towards them.

  • Doomsider@lemmy.world
    10·
    1 month ago

    They are both wrong.

    The correct way is to argue passionately that your country has committed the MOST war crimes/genocides/human rights violations. Ya know, bragging rights.

    • Malek061@lemmy.world
      1310·
      1 month ago
      1. Dragging anchor in the baltic and cutting cables.
      2. Ramming Philippine ships and assaulting sailors.
      3. Genocide of the Uyghers.
      4. Tibet genocide.
      5. The rampant illegal fishing in every other countries coastline.
      • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
        72·
        1 month ago

        Please list sources for any of these. Preferably not from US or british state media.

          • Red Army Dog Cooper@lemmy.ml
            4·
            1 month ago

            I mean how about this, you CAN use those sources, however I will not treat them as a sacred cow and given there track record when dealing with places the US does not like it will take me almost no time to debunk the claim, or point out how the source is not credible on this topic, then you will wace your hands and scream about some liberal media reliability rateing that cannot even get left right and center correct, even in the US overton window, an then I will have to debunk the new media reliability AND remind you of the previous debunk.

            OR we can skip some of the easier ones to debunk and try to have an easier time in trying to understand reality, rather than just screaming and letting rich ghools make it up for us. The choice is yours

          • Grapho@lemmy.ml
            4·
            1 month ago

            If your sources quote “anonymous sources” and nebulous “state documents” without providing access to them, those are shit sources. I wouldn’t trust them even if I didn’t know their track record of making shit up as long as their CIA handler contact “confirms” the story.

      • Shezzagrad@lemmy.mlEnglish
        94·
        1 month ago

        1 isn’t a war crimes lmao 2 isn’t a war crime 3. Isn’t a war crime nor is there proof. Literal unbacked western propaganda, wanna know what is backed? Gaza, By the west and Sudan genocide by America via UAE RIGHT NOW, you can literally watch it unfold on all social media 4. Perhaps, I would need to do more research on this one, but didn’t you got 3 wrong, I wouldn’t be surprised if your wrong again. 5. Not a war crime

        Edit: no idea how to do formatting on the phone, I apologise

        • Malek061@lemmy.world
          610·
          1 month ago

          Crimes against humanity are war crimes. Looting is a war crime. Invasion of a sovereign nation is an act of war. Stealing their resources is looting. Genocide is a crime against humanity and Tibet and the Uyghers are in one.

          Wolf warriors that bury their head in the sand will suffocate under the lies.

          China has been real bad.

          • Shezzagrad@lemmy.mlEnglish
            42·
            1 month ago

            Crimes against humanity aren’t war crimes. You’re reading comprehension is lacking my friend. The war in war crimes means warfare.

            Speaking of genocides. You have mentioned two. Most genocides on the planet are actively done by America and it’s allies or it supplies the weapons and silences the media.

            Considering China having 5 times the population of america. Id say china has been very good comparatively on the world. Also nothing to say how 4 of 5 of your war crimes weren’t at all war crimes??

      • Shezzagrad@lemmy.mlEnglish
        73·
        1 month ago

        Here’s 5 actual war crimes

        1. My Lai massacre Vietnam - America
        2. Iraq invasion (there’s thousands within this one including Abu ghraib) -america/nato 3- dressing up as medical personnel and massacring a refugee camp to save 1 person in gaza- Israel and America 4- a host of lesser known but many technical war crimes in Afghanistan like bombing undefended villages and towns https://www.culawreview.org/journal/double-standards-in-international-law-did-the-us-get-away-with-war-crimes-in-afghanistan 5- raping children and murdering their family. This is American tactic in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria with many documented cases