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    Communism A system of government where the country’s wealth is concentrated into a small, ruling class of billionaires, who use the news media they own to keep the lower classes fighting with each other while they . . . the rich . . . run off with all the farking money.

    Oh wait. that’s capitalism. I don’t know how I got those two systems confused.

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      yeah…23 pages from 1848 surely have all the right answers for the problems of a globalized economy and a society which is so fed up that it is creating its own problems.

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        😂 The three volumes of Capital alone are about 2,000 pages, then there are Marx’s other works, and Engel’s works, and Lenin’s works, and onward. Hundreds of thousands of pages.

        Das Kapital is the most cited book in the social sciences published before 1950

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        23 pages? What are you referring to? Either way, what Marx analyzed is still relevant, even in his day overproduction led to crisis. Lenin took his analysis further once Monopoly Capitalism became the standard, but the same principles apply.

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          Marx manifest is 23 pages long. And i wouldn’t take Lenin as someone to refer to…his “red terror” says enough. Of course one could say that doesn’t mean he was wrong about other things, yeah but where does that leave us?

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            The Communist Manifesto isn’t what I’m talking about. The CM is a worker pamphlet, not an explanation of Marxism. The Principles of Communism is a much better introductory work, and for Marx himself, Wage Labor and Capital as well as Value, Price and Profit are excellent texts describing Capitalism. I would also add Socialism: Utopian and Scientific for an introduction to Historical Materialism, and the failures of Utopian Socialists like the Owenites.

            Lenin is absolutely worth reading, he was the leader of the first genuine Marxist state, and his contributions to Marxist theory are critical. Specifically, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism furthers Marx’s analysis into the modern era of Monopoly Capitalism, aka Imperialism, which Marx was only alive to see the very beginnings of before he passed away.

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              That sure is a lot of stuff to read and i bet its dry lecture. To be honest, i won’t start looking into them, so thus far you have me. Maybe it’s ignorant but Lenin, for me, goes in the same pot as Stalin and Mao and the baddest of them all from Austria. I don’t know if there are good ideas in their writings/ methods/ ideologies…what i know is that these are people who abused their power. They ordered people killed or at least restrained who wouldn’t comply to them…so i don’t know if their works and deeds are a thing to build upon.

              I not very educated on the matter but i’d think that “Post-growth” in capitalism maybe is a solution or at least a way to a solution?

              Capitalism sucks, yeah. They steal from you, yeah. Thing is that this happens in every system as long as humans are involved. So maybe we as a hole have to go through somekind of capitalistic-cataclysm, which i don’t want for me or my kids, but has to happen none the less to come up with something neither Marx & Co. or capitalists envisioned as of yet.

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                They ordered people killed or at least restrained who wouldn’t comply to them

                This is what states do, they are tools of repression. You’ve basically limited yourself to reading from a subset of anarchists and no one else with this statement alone.

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                That sure is a lot of stuff to read and i bet its dry lecture.

                It isn’t, haha. Pretty easy to read!

                To be honest, i won’t start looking into them, so thus far you have me. Maybe it’s ignorant but Lenin, for me, goes in the same pot as Stalin and Mao and the baddest of them all from Austria.

                Bold claims for someone who refuses to even look at the text, let alone read it. Additionally, equating the Communists to the Nazis is in fact Nazi Apologia.

                I don’t know if there are good ideas in their writings/ methods/ ideologies…what i know is that these are people who abused their power. They ordered people killed or at least restrained who wouldn’t comply to them…so i don’t know if their works and deeds are a thing to build upon.

                Do you know that? You evidently don’t read, so where do your ideas come from? Imagination?

                I not very educated on the matter but i’d think that “Post-growth” in capitalism maybe is a solution or at least a way to a solution?

                What on Earth is “post-growth Capitalism?” Where did you pull that from, and why do you already think it capable of being a solution?

                Capitalism sucks, yeah. They steal from you, yeah. Thing is that this happens in every system as long as humans are involved. So maybe we as a hole have to go through somekind of capitalistic-cataclysm, which i don’t want for me or my kids, but has to happen none the less to come up with something neither Marx & Co. or capitalists envisioned as of yet.

                How, exactly, are people “stolen from” in Socialism? You don’t know what you’re talking about, but you sure do have strong opinions about it.

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                Honestly, if you’ve got the time and the capability I would recommend reading at least Capital 1, it’s incredibly well written.

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      The point of the meme is that as Capitalism deteriorates, and it must deteriorate, more Workers become aligned with Leftists and at some point there will be a shift from quantitative to qualitative, ie at some level there will be a dramatic change, like the boiling point of water.