Me after creating a meme and starting a political debate on memes sub “what have i done”.I HATE MY CREATION for the record.
See those jackasses with swastikas, they hate you. They’re the furthest right. See the people with hammers and sickles or black flags and maltovs? They hate each other almost as much as they hate the rich. They’re the furthest left.
In reality the right wing wants lower taxes, more police, more military, less corporate legislation, and to regulate your sexual and medical decisions every moral panic. They also tend to vote how their preacher tells them.
The left wing wants to regulate businesses, fund public works and social services, try to create a more equal society (the right wants hierarchy), and generally supports freedom except when used for bigotry. We also like unions. The further left you go the more you like unions.
Obligatory Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
The left generally wants lower taxes too, just for different people. The left thinks the poorest should pay no taxes, while the right thinks the richest should pay no taxes. (Obviously I’m being hyperbolic, but that’s generally how it plays out.)
What if I want no taxes for the lower class lower taxes for the middle class and small business but much higher taxes on the upper class and large corporations, a very strong military, less but stronger corporate regulation with more teeth, to fund public works and social services with the taxes we bring in, a free and equal society with no hierarchical systems or bigotry, freedom of speech and strong privacy laws with certain restrictions on speech (calls to violence, etc…), very strong unions, a near complete elimination of wall street, and a fair justice system that doesn’t target minorities as prey? Also, guns are fine for self defense in my opinion. Which side do I fall on?
Edit: So if you will read my posts below I talk about how going against groupthink just makes you enemies of the group. Then the group started down voting me down below. I’m really not worried about fake internet points. I just want to make sure that everyone that downvoted me is well aware that my point is well and truly proven. A difference of opinion is not welcome. Even, and especially, if that opinion is, “Stop letting the group think for you. Examine each issue as a separate issue and make fair and reasoned decisions.”
How it sounds to me
It really is a bit more nuanced than that.
I think you may want to look into syndicalism actually.
Almost left wing, could be completely left wing depending on how strong you want unions to be, ie do you still want Capitalism or are you full-on syndicalist.
Pretty leftist my dude. Embrace it
Is it even possible to describe the left end the right and not make it sound like the right are the bad guys?
Not if you’re trying to be honest
nah
If in America then it’s all right wing.
my biggest pet peeve in the world is when people equate liberalism (a right-wing ideology) with the left, solely because the american baseline is so far right compared to europe. the closest shot the US have had of pivoting to proper left-wing is bernie sanders (at least as far as i’m aware, and i’m too scared of further rotting my brain by consuming more american politics)
Left wingers want collective ownership of the Means of Production, right wingers want individual ownership of the Means of Production.
What follows from that are generally a bunch of interconnected, intersectional views. Leftists tend to oppose hierarchy, rightists tend to support hierarchy.
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To expand, left wingers analyze current events as a historical process and as an actionable future plan, considering current ownership itself unjust regardless of historical context, though certainly not made any better when combined with it. I don’t really see many making a mockery of their own position.
Right wingers do falsely claim that anyone can arrive at the top, they typically do so through some failed idea of meritocracy.
Good additions. I actually struggled to find a good way to criticize the left because I am extremely left-leaning myself. I caught myseld writing a “cons bad” post and decided to attack the weaknesses I see in left-wing politics as a bit of a self-challenge, tho admittedly with only about two minutes of consideration. Judging by the points on the post my perspective is not very popular.
Tbh I should give this more thought, finding flaws in your own positions is a harder exercise than I realized. I’ll have to explore and flesh out these ideas a bit more.
It depends if you’re watching them from the front or the back. So it can be quite confusing.
Don’t ask, don’t tell?
Might be relevant here: https://www.podcast.de/episode/619883332/089-the-myth-of-left-and-right-a-conversation-with-prof-hyrum-lewis
English episode of german podcast
You can just make up a name for whoever you don’t like and use it to dehumanize them. “Lib” is a popular stand-in when you don’t have even a tenuous grasp of global politics.
Those who wank off with left hand are left wingers and those that wank off with right hand are right winger. And none of them are gonna care about your privacy or freedom.
It is better to conceptualize political allegiance by which ideology they support: socialism, social capitalism, liberal capitalism, or fascist capitalism.
Trump and the republicans are right winged. Biden and democrats are the left.
both halves of the USA’s two-headed uniparty are right-wing
Thanks fam that’s what i wanted to know.
Left wing = people I like
Right wing = people I associate with my high school bullies
Left and right wingers are the people who let all the bad shit happen because they want their football team to win and only care about that.
Nah, that’s moderates and centrists that refuse to actually take a stance because they are privledged enough to benefit from the status quo.
I have a stance. It happens to conflict with both of you clowns. You’re all acting like I have to take the package deal when I’m only interested in Internet. Fuck that nonsense. I want the right to bear arms and have an abortion. Let the gays do whatever they like, but why are they mimicking a religion which says they’re bad? I want higher tax brackets for the ultra wealthy and domestic spending for 3rd places, but I also think it’s a good idea to have our crazy army money because China specifically wants world domination.
Absolutely NONE of this is “central” or “middle ground” because there is not a fucking polarity to the subjects!
You’re all idiots banging your heads together over stupid shit the ultra rich make up to keep you fucking busy! YOU blind idiots are why we can’t have nice things!
This comment screams “I am extremely confident in my own intelligence and have never once listened to a word anyone else has ever said. Bow down to me!”
This screams “ad hominem” you’re just gonna insult my character because you have no argument.
Let’s go through your comment.
“I have a stance. It happens to conflict with both of you clowns.”
-okay, let’s see it.
“You’re all acting like I have to take the package deal when I’m only interested in Internet. Fuck that nonsense.”
-nobody is saying you have to pick a niche view, but views tend to have intersectionality. Ie, antiracists also tend to be anti-transphobia and anti-fascist, because they all come from a similar moral outlook.
“I want the right to bear arms and have an abortion.”
-So do most leftists.
“Let the gays do whatever they like, but why are they mimicking a religion which says they’re bad?”
-gay people are not mimicking a religion in any way, that’s absurd. Pride is about visibility and protection, if that’s what you’re calling a “religion.”
“I want higher tax brackets for the ultra wealthy and domestic spending for 3rd places, but I also think it’s a good idea to have our crazy army money because China specifically wants world domination.”
-so do most leftists. Even if your take on the military is at odds with many leftists, the rest of your views are fairly leftist.
“Absolutely NONE of this is “central” or “middle ground” because there is not a fucking polarity to the subjects!”
-Not necessarily middle ground, just generally ill-informed, given your belief that gay people are mimicking religion.
“You’re all idiots banging your heads together over stupid shit the ultra rich make up to keep you fucking busy! YOU blind idiots are why we can’t have nice things!”
-That’s a firmly leftist position, saying that the rich are dividing the Proletariat against itself to stay in power. That’s not even close to a right wing position.
There you go, firmly answered. You’re a leftist, but one who probably hasn’t actually read theory or taken the time to analyze their own views. I think reading what other leftists have written about leftism might be fantastic for helping you come to terms with your own views and help you understand them better, but that’s your choice to make.
What do you think marriage is?
I’m not about to vote in someone who wants to disarm me just because they’re on my side for a couple of topics. The fact of the matter is that I don’t believe in representation. Direct democracy is the only way to actually get to conclusions.
Keep your labels to yourself.
Leftists aren’t anti-gun, buddy. Direct democracy is good, sure, but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re a leftist that refuses that label.
Marriage isn’t religious.
