I’ve cancelled my subscription yesterday, conveniently it was about to renew at the end of the week, so I have a few days to migrate from Proton, here’s what I’m thinking of, but I’d love to hear what other people are switching to
i was already using ente auth, i went straight back to bitwarden, and i was on the free tier the whole time on proton anyway
Obsidian is proprietary. It can go fuck itself.
I switch from obsidian to Joplin because it has e2ee while obsidian does not but they’re kinda cut from the same cloth
I’ve switched email providers a few times, but I bought a custom domain and use that as my email address. Which makes switching providers easy. I’m sure I don’t need to mention that in a Privacy community, but figured I would anyway.
I went from an @gmail, to @proton (then bought the domain), then switched to Fastmail with same domain.
Pretty funny to suggest anti-open-source Obsidian in a privacy subreddit
subreddit
A what?
Oops
Pretty funny to reference anti-open-source reddit in a privacy community
If you’re not paying for sync services and cautious about which community plugins you choose, what is the risk factor? Genuinely asking, not being a contrarian on purpose.
I’ve stuck with Obsidian for the simple reason that the file format is a folder of plain text files. So data extraction if I decide to leave to another app is easy. Joplin changes the text file names and adds metadata to each file which is no good in my use case. So I’ve skipped it.
I’ve been using mailbox.org for a few years now and I love it.
the web client is good, and it was easy to set up on my phone alongside my other accounts.
it costs money (something like €3/year), but it’s worth it.
plus, it’s still relatively new, so if you suffer from Generic White Guy Name™ like I do, you can finally have a username/email address that’s not full of numbers.
I switched to mailbox from proton and put addy.io in front of it for custom domains and aliasing
You’re better off adding a custom domain anyway, that way you’re not vendor locked and you can move the emails with ease. It’s included in all the subs I think.
can i ask for more details about the email address and generic names thing? I’m not sure i understand whar you mean sorry
Basically there’s no way you could get an email address of just: [first][last]@gmail.com on Gmail, because there are so many users of Gmail. That’s not the case for newer services with less users.
ohhh right that makes sense thanks
I would maybe hold off on choosing Bitwarden. Around the time they raised their pricing they started getting venture capitalist money so the enshittification there may be coming. As far as alternatives, the only other one I’ve used besides Proton is KeePass which could be make or break depending on how you setup the vault, I’d probably save it in something pCloud so you aren’t screwed should something happen to your server, but YMMV.
Tuta for email perhaps?
I’m tired of keeping a book of grudges everytime a CEO says something. I’ll be waiting for now.
Like, it’s my business email, it’s on my cards and my site and pretty much everything else related to the business. Just change all that!?
Your business email is a @proton.me address?
You mentioned a website, wouldn’t you rather have an address @ your website domain?
Site is hosted by the accounting software I use, template based and I do no e-commerce.
Proton Mail is free and reasonably secure/not fucking Google, and I don’t computer enough to host my own site.
I cut lawns and maintain gardens, I just need to be reachable.
I don’t computer enough to host my own site.
You mean savvy or cost?
If it’s cost, you can have a simple site and email with your own domain for something like $30 a year.
I cut lawns and maintain gardens,
Do you own your rake and gloves or rent/borrow them?
It’s the same thing having a domain. Really basic but essential tool that it makes sense to own it and have no surprises or changes at anybody else’s whim.
For the future, it might be worth buying your own domain. Besides looking cool, switching providers is as simple as changing your MX records.
For real. A CEO is a figurehead and can be removed at any time
I’ve been using KeePassXC with Syncthing for years and it’s been great as a password manager for myself. But I don’t need to share those credentials with anyone.
I’ve tried that exact setup but Syncthing kept not detecting changes or creating conflicts… So I’m still stuck with Proton Pass :/ (it’s a good password manager, but Andy Yen is being too much of a loser)
Has anyone unlinked their SimpleLogin account from Proton? I see its an option, but curious what will happen. I was a subscriber seperately prior to Proton but linked them up later. This will be the harder thing to migrate so if I can keep just simpleLogin going for a while longer. So many aliases :(
It should work without, that was the original idea. But it is owned by Proton now.
If you end up having to create another SL account - this could be useful https://simplelogin.io/docs/getting-started/transfer-alias/
this is exhausting
It is. I just made the switch last year and spent forever making hide-my-e-mail adresses for every service , web page and online store I had subscribed to. My Proton subscription just renewed so I guess I’ll wait another 11 months to see how this pans out before I make a decision.
I started with those, but then thankfully quickly realized it’s a great form of vendor lock.
It’ll still be a pain to migrate, but at least not AS bad as it could have been.
Hide-my-emails keep working after you leave proton if you have your own domain. I left proton last year and the alias I created there still point to my email address. But you have to have it point to a custom domain email address
Bitwarden is getting worse btw unless you’re running it yourself
What did I miss?
Moving towards closed source: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Bitwarden-Open-Source-Concerns
Which takes away the only good thing about them
Wasn’t this reversed tho?
closed source security products are a contradiction in terms
I’m enjoying vacation totally out of the loop here, what Proton did? Fascism or fascism?
CEO and other top admins are AI apologists. Wants their developers to work more AI code than the traditional way. There’s concerns this could make Proton code less secure. Lemmy and Reddit are up and arms about the AI.
So if I like AI I should use them?
I think in reality it is more about the arrogance and the trump-adjacent world view. Also, a typical management line about AI being the critical tool to use without regard for its weaknesses.
The primary service that we all need to de-google (or de-proton in this case) is email. The trouble is, the available email services all seem to limit you to 1 user and a few aliases, unless you want to pay a lot more. This kinda makes sense if you are using the proton domain name, they have name space limits and don’t want to become a spam source. However, if you bring your own domain name the breakdown of users and aliases is essentially irrelevant to the cost, and it should only be based on storage and transmit limits. I should be able to have as many user accounts and aliases as I like. This is what I get from MXRoute, and what makes it impossible for my to leave them even though they are mostly US based. I can’t find a solid replacement service that isn’t ripping us off with unnecessary limitations.
In case anyone suggests it, hosting your own email server is a very risky business, and best left to someone else.
Five Eyes, Nine Eyes, and Fourteen Eyes intelligence-sharing agreements makes it nearly impossible to have privacy with email unless self hosted even still…
What about simplelogin 😟 I had to subscribe to keep my precious aliases.
