I love how people with easy lives think that things like drugs and AI companions are the cause of problems instead of just coping mechanisms for people who already have hard lives.
Yeah, let’s just make their lives as hard as we possibly can, same as making it so homeless people have nowhere to sit.
It’s literally the EXACT same reasoning. You want people to be successfully interacting with others? Make social skills and integration classes mandatory for literally every single person starting the VERY first year of school.
While that’s often true, there’s also cases where for-profit corporations create predatory products that create their own demand and social problems with it. Like the online gambling explosion in North America.
There may be many cases where AI has been a benefit to vulnerable people. LLMs aren’t going away any time soon so it’s good if they tell you not to kill yourself. But that should be the end of it. The more we lean on AI to fix societal problems, the deeper the problems will get. Relying on an LLM to be a substitute for human interaction is a really bad idea. It’s easy, it’s compelling, and it will help you to put yourself in a much deeper hole than you were in before.
If you are banning things people see as needs, that’s not governance. That’s cruelty.
How about fentanyl, or meth? Many people see them as a need, once they get started. Much like an AI companion, they offer a quick fix to make you feel better and get away from the difficulties you’re facing in the real world. And like an AI companion, they don’t actually address those difficulties and will only make things worse.
I literally explained how meth is literally a chemical which performs the exact same mechanism as the medication that is prescribed to treat ADHD.
In layman’s terms, if a person has ADHD and they try meth, part of the experience of meth is to have the ADHD treated.
And I don’t mean that in a healthy way. Not at all. I do NOT advise people who have ADHD to use meth.
What I am expressing is that describing it as an addiction is dishonest framing, because it’s literally causing the exact same effect that a person would get if they went to get a drug prescribed for their ADHD. There is an additional effect, sure. But it’s not that meth created a biological need. The person was born with the biological need, and then they happened to stumble onto a drug that existed that had the effect of treating the unmet biological need. That’s not addiction. That’s having an unmet need your whole life and then having the need met, and not wanting to go back to having the need unmet.
I understand that and I agree the approach under these assumptions must be needs-based. I’m saying, that it’s worth examining how much of this new phenomena is needs-not-met vs falling prey to a new kind of profit-driven entertainment. I have no idea what the numbers are. Could be mostly unmet need. It’s not necessarily following the same dybamics as drug use.
Speaking as an autistic person, I think it’s very funny when people talk about AI preventing people from having social interactions, when as an autistic child, everyone hated me and I had literally no one to talk to.
Autistic people make up a small part of the population, but a comparatively larger part of the population who’s not out socializing with others, so claiming that without AI they’d be out socializing with others is wrong.
For a lot of autistic people, there is no alternative. Talk to AI, or talk to no one, because no one will talk to you.
I would have loved to have had access to AI as a teenager.
But… Why? It’s not real. A book can provide the same solace AND improve your intellect. While you wait for that special one willing to have 1 to 1 with you. Introverts have some of the same struggles.
Better one-to-one work with autistic people who lack certain social skills that helps them engage with other people, autistic or otherwise, specifically using their special interest (if they have one) as a hook would be far more beneficial for human contact for that section of the autistic population. They’re still human and deserve human-to-human contact, especially to talk about things they derive intense pleasure from.
you could have those classes but that won’t stop people from having moments in their lives where they’re emotionally vulnerable, whether it’s a bad breakup like in the article, the death of a loved one, or what have you. the whole point of this is to prevent companies from preying on people in those moments.
I love how people with easy lives think that things like drugs and AI companions are the cause of problems instead of just coping mechanisms for people who already have hard lives.
Yeah, let’s just make their lives as hard as we possibly can, same as making it so homeless people have nowhere to sit.
It’s literally the EXACT same reasoning. You want people to be successfully interacting with others? Make social skills and integration classes mandatory for literally every single person starting the VERY first year of school.
While that’s often true, there’s also cases where for-profit corporations create predatory products that create their own demand and social problems with it. Like the online gambling explosion in North America.
Or pharma getting people hooked on opium? I remember china has some history with drug use too
How many people have decided not to kill themselves because they talked to an AI instead of nobody?
How many people have been so busy talking to an AI that they weren’t online to see others on Facebook attempting to cyberbully them?
You will never be successful in trying to make illegal an action that people see as a need.
If you are banning things people see as needs, that’s not governance. That’s cruelty.
Focus on making sure people’s needs are met, and start in childhood. People will stop reaching for alternatives.
How many people have been goaded into killing themselves due to talking to AI?
How many people have been talked out of killing themselves due to talking to AI?
WTF AI has literally talked people into killing themselves, multiple times
Have you ever talked to AI about wanting to not exist?
No, it will encourage you to get help.
You are talking about something very uncommon: people killing themselves because AI told them to.
You are not talking about something much more common: people NOT killing themselves because AI told them not to.
Hmmm
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/72911177
There may be many cases where AI has been a benefit to vulnerable people. LLMs aren’t going away any time soon so it’s good if they tell you not to kill yourself. But that should be the end of it. The more we lean on AI to fix societal problems, the deeper the problems will get. Relying on an LLM to be a substitute for human interaction is a really bad idea. It’s easy, it’s compelling, and it will help you to put yourself in a much deeper hole than you were in before.
How about fentanyl, or meth? Many people see them as a need, once they get started. Much like an AI companion, they offer a quick fix to make you feel better and get away from the difficulties you’re facing in the real world. And like an AI companion, they don’t actually address those difficulties and will only make things worse.
I literally explained how meth is literally a chemical which performs the exact same mechanism as the medication that is prescribed to treat ADHD.
In layman’s terms, if a person has ADHD and they try meth, part of the experience of meth is to have the ADHD treated.
And I don’t mean that in a healthy way. Not at all. I do NOT advise people who have ADHD to use meth.
What I am expressing is that describing it as an addiction is dishonest framing, because it’s literally causing the exact same effect that a person would get if they went to get a drug prescribed for their ADHD. There is an additional effect, sure. But it’s not that meth created a biological need. The person was born with the biological need, and then they happened to stumble onto a drug that existed that had the effect of treating the unmet biological need. That’s not addiction. That’s having an unmet need your whole life and then having the need met, and not wanting to go back to having the need unmet.
How many people will be killed by people who have driven themselves into psychosis talking to AI?
I understand that and I agree the approach under these assumptions must be needs-based. I’m saying, that it’s worth examining how much of this new phenomena is needs-not-met vs falling prey to a new kind of profit-driven entertainment. I have no idea what the numbers are. Could be mostly unmet need. It’s not necessarily following the same dybamics as drug use.
Don’t forget those are kids in their formation years. AI can be very deleterious to their social and intellectual make-up.
Speaking as an autistic person, I think it’s very funny when people talk about AI preventing people from having social interactions, when as an autistic child, everyone hated me and I had literally no one to talk to.
Autistic people make up a small part of the population, but a comparatively larger part of the population who’s not out socializing with others, so claiming that without AI they’d be out socializing with others is wrong.
For a lot of autistic people, there is no alternative. Talk to AI, or talk to no one, because no one will talk to you.
I would have loved to have had access to AI as a teenager.
But… Why? It’s not real. A book can provide the same solace AND improve your intellect. While you wait for that special one willing to have 1 to 1 with you. Introverts have some of the same struggles.
Unfortunately, books don’t provide that same solace for me, no.
Better one-to-one work with autistic people who lack certain social skills that helps them engage with other people, autistic or otherwise, specifically using their special interest (if they have one) as a hook would be far more beneficial for human contact for that section of the autistic population. They’re still human and deserve human-to-human contact, especially to talk about things they derive intense pleasure from.
I don’t think meth is helpful, regardless of whether it’s a coping mechanism or not.
That wasn’t what I said.
Your body your choice.
Ohhhhhhh boy.
How about this: I take methylphenidate daily.
What do you think about that?
you could have those classes but that won’t stop people from having moments in their lives where they’re emotionally vulnerable, whether it’s a bad breakup like in the article, the death of a loved one, or what have you. the whole point of this is to prevent companies from preying on people in those moments.
I get enough human interaction when I pay my rent to my landlord and when I wage slave at work.
Hard pass on your offer to learn how to interact with humans. I’ve had more then enough.
We have coping on our garden walls.
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Yeah butnid gonfor both.
Teach human beings how to interact and bad these apps still, as well