• Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Moving the goalposts. You said they need to drop the fascist from their sponsorship and they did. They also committed to not doing it in the future. They did exactly what you said.

    On top of that, companies are not your friends and they don’t need political positions. Not supporting fascists is perfectly adequate.

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      2 days ago

      No, I didnt’t say that. I’ve said:

      No, there is not an antifascist position on their statement. Only a ultracentrist position based on the reaction of their user base/market.

      See the original paragraph:

      I understand that they would have removed also the sponsorship of a feminist, vegan or antiracist that created discontent in their use base (by being feminist, vegan or antiracist).

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        2 days ago

        Exactly. I’m a bit grumpy about that response because they’re just saying that if his opinion would be more main stream, they wouldn’t back down on the sponsorship.

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        2 days ago

        They have also said that if the user base finds their sponsorship or seeming alignment with any other divisive agenda, they welcome feedback.

        I’m not following their PR engagement, but if anyone feels strongly about them aligning with furbys, they are welcome to feedback.

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            2 days ago

            Sure. That’s more than many other companies do.

            Proton or any other company doesn’t owe anyone anything more than what they’re paid for. Everything else is CSR if you like.

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              “many companies are doing it” is not an excuse. if they are taking my money and giving it to nazis for the spread of society-destabilizing propaganda, that’s very much something they owe an explanation to society for.

              and might not be something an upstanding person would want to keep paying for either.

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                2 days ago

                I applaud you for holding all the companies you engage with to the highest of your ethical standards.

                I’ll be here content with the middle ground.

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                  2 days ago

                  there is no “middle ground”. we are literally talking about fascism.

                  what else would one be trying to hide from with all that encryption?

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                    2 days ago

                    I don’t see myself as ‘hiding’ from facism. We need to stamp it out.

                    Now I’m not even sure what we’re arguing about.