Sure, but that’s basically irrelevant to the point being made in OP’s memes.
Also, there is no ‘for the most part’. Geopolitical alliances notwithstanding, they are in no way ideologically aligned: I’ll say it once more for the people with their fingers in their ears, “Russia is not a socialist state, and hasn’t been for over three decades!”
Fyi, playing dumb after getting owned is a quintessential liberal move.
Owned? Oh, I get it, you’re a literal child.
Your friend referenced emojis I’ve never even heard of as thought that somehow rebutted any of my points, which is not how you do discourse. If you want people to take your ideas seriously you need to demonstrate an understanding of those ideas, not resort to school-yard insults.
Sorry how could I not have known you were defining other people’s arguments for them. It’s like I wasn’t paying attention to how you were acting this whole time.
I should have made that my criticism in the comment I wrote you nine minutes ago
It is relevant, though. They’re geopolitically aligned with China and are the junior partner. It’s ridiculous to think that they’re the biggest threat to world peace
🙄 I’m not any kind of liberal, I’m just not so black and white in my thinking that I believe Russia poses any kind of opposition to the global capitalist oligarchy (because they themselves are a capitalist oligarchy).
The fact of the matter is that both Russia and the US are working to further the aims of the billionaire technocracy that rules our planet, and I therefore consider shilling for either regime (or for the EU) to be despicable behaviour.
You guys consider yourselves communists but give support to capitalist states. Do better.
You can’t tell me what to do, liberal (or person who got fooled by liberals into thinking all communists are demagogues and actively ignores evidence to the contrary).
You seem to believe that communists are forbidden from supporting non-communist things. (I’m not sure demagogue was the right word choice for this. Maybe dogmatist or cultist fits better)
Not only that, you demand communists to stop supporting all non-communist things. Both of these things show your complete maleducation regarding communism.
You say you are not a liberal, okay, so you are
a person who got fooled by liberals into thinking all communists are (people who are forbidden from supporting non-communist things), and actively ignores evidence to the contrary
And, riddle me this, why would we ever give in to demands from a person who doesn’t want to understand us and has exactly zero leverage over us???
You seem to believe that communists are forbidden from supporting non-communist things. (I’m not sure demagogue was the right word choice for this. Maybe dogmatist or cultist fits better)
No, but vocally supporting the polar opposite of communism is a strange position for communists to take. (You are correct that demogogue nonsensical word to use, and you used it several times. It’s hard to take someone seriously when they clearly don’t know what point they are even trying to make).
Not only that, you demand communists to stop supporting all non-communist things. Both of these things show your complete maleducation regarding communism.
When did I do that? I’ve been a socialist for decades, it just annoys me when little kids cosplaying as soviets act like they’re the only ones that understand communism, while demonstrating they don’t even know the definitions of the words they are using.
Russia is self-interested in opposing the imperialist system dominated by the US. It isn’t ideologically aligned with socialism, but it is practically aligned with socialists in overthrowing imperialism. The Russian bourgeoisie is nationalist, not imperialist, as there simply isn’t space for Russia to colonize as the west has the entire imperialized world under its thumb.
Capitalism and imperialism are essentially the same thing, lack of opportunity for imperialist projects is in no way evidence of opposition to imperialism. If you believe the elites in Russia have any ideological objections to imperialism then I have a bridge to sell you.
Nationalism (like all populist ideologies) exists purely as a means of controlling the masses, the oligarchs who control every capitalist state are interested only in how much money/power they are personally able to amass.
Imperialism is a stage in capitalist development, it is not the same thing as capitalism. Mexico isn’t imperialist, for example. The lack of ability to be imperialist means Russia is on the side targeted by imperialism, and for its own self-interest is working against the very system targeting it. This is why it’s helping Cuba, trading heavily with socialist countries like China, and supporting the Alliance of Sahel States in kicking out France. Ideology isn’t the reason for Russia’s anti-imperialism, its geopolitical context is.
As for nationalism, you oversimplified it dangerously. Nationalism against imperialism and colonialism is progressive, nationalism preserving imperialism and colonialism is regressive. Palestinian nationalism is a progressive movement against settler-colonialism and genocide, and weakens the international imperialist movement.
Returning to Russia, the nationalist bourgeoisie is interested in opposing imperialism out of their own self a preservation. They aren’t good people, but they are backed into a corner by a common threat. Russia is not an imperialist country, it already succeeded in a nationalist revolution in the 90s against imperialism and as such needs to have a socialist revolution to completely liberate itself.
Capitalism is a global movement, the idea that elites of different nation states are ‘at war’ with one another is an illusion designed to keep the masses fighting amongst ourselves rather than against our common enemies: i.e the capitalist class. This has never been more clear than today, with the US president doing everything he can to support his allies in Russia.
Sure, but that’s basically irrelevant to the point being made in OP’s memes.
Also, there is no ‘for the most part’. Geopolitical alliances notwithstanding, they are in no way ideologically aligned: I’ll say it once more for the people with their fingers in their ears, “Russia is not a socialist state, and hasn’t been for over three decades!”
So you’re too stupid to know what the argument you’re facing is and you’re too childish to listen
I’m the one who’s comment is being replied to, so I’m the one that defined the argument. You’ve got some nerve calling other people stupid 😂
Always the No U and the seething emoji
What does that even mean?
Fyi, playing dumb after getting owned is a quintessential liberal move.
Owned? Oh, I get it, you’re a literal child.
Your friend referenced emojis I’ve never even heard of as thought that somehow rebutted any of my points, which is not how you do discourse. If you want people to take your ideas seriously you need to demonstrate an understanding of those ideas, not resort to school-yard insults.
Sorry how could I not have known you were defining other people’s arguments for them. It’s like I wasn’t paying attention to how you were acting this whole time.
I should have made that my criticism in the comment I wrote you nine minutes ago
It is relevant, though. They’re geopolitically aligned with China and are the junior partner. It’s ridiculous to think that they’re the biggest threat to world peace
So what?
I’ve spelled it out twice now, if you honestly still don’t understand I don’t think there’s anything I can say that will make it clear to you…
No, I don’t understand, because I’m not a demagogue. I know for a fact that most liberals think we’re all demagogues.
Guess where they got it from: the liberals themselves made it up to smear us.
You fell for your own propaganda. You can’t successfully talk to us because you operate off of flawed assumptions.
You played yourself.
🙄 I’m not any kind of liberal, I’m just not so black and white in my thinking that I believe Russia poses any kind of opposition to the global capitalist oligarchy (because they themselves are a capitalist oligarchy).
The fact of the matter is that both Russia and the US are working to further the aims of the billionaire technocracy that rules our planet, and I therefore consider shilling for either regime (or for the EU) to be despicable behaviour.
You guys consider yourselves communists but give support to capitalist states. Do better.
You can’t tell me what to do, liberal (or person who got fooled by liberals into thinking all communists are demagogues and actively ignores evidence to the contrary).
Can you demonstrate any point at which I have promoted liberalism, or any comment in which I have suggested that all communists are demagogues?
You seem to believe that communists are forbidden from supporting non-communist things. (I’m not sure demagogue was the right word choice for this. Maybe dogmatist or cultist fits better)
Not only that, you demand communists to stop supporting all non-communist things. Both of these things show your complete maleducation regarding communism.
You say you are not a liberal, okay, so you are
And, riddle me this, why would we ever give in to demands from a person who doesn’t want to understand us and has exactly zero leverage over us???
No, but vocally supporting the polar opposite of communism is a strange position for communists to take. (You are correct that demogogue nonsensical word to use, and you used it several times. It’s hard to take someone seriously when they clearly don’t know what point they are even trying to make).
When did I do that? I’ve been a socialist for decades, it just annoys me when little kids cosplaying as soviets act like they’re the only ones that understand communism, while demonstrating they don’t even know the definitions of the words they are using.
Russia is self-interested in opposing the imperialist system dominated by the US. It isn’t ideologically aligned with socialism, but it is practically aligned with socialists in overthrowing imperialism. The Russian bourgeoisie is nationalist, not imperialist, as there simply isn’t space for Russia to colonize as the west has the entire imperialized world under its thumb.
Capitalism and imperialism are essentially the same thing, lack of opportunity for imperialist projects is in no way evidence of opposition to imperialism. If you believe the elites in Russia have any ideological objections to imperialism then I have a bridge to sell you.
Nationalism (like all populist ideologies) exists purely as a means of controlling the masses, the oligarchs who control every capitalist state are interested only in how much money/power they are personally able to amass.
Imperialism is a stage in capitalist development, it is not the same thing as capitalism. Mexico isn’t imperialist, for example. The lack of ability to be imperialist means Russia is on the side targeted by imperialism, and for its own self-interest is working against the very system targeting it. This is why it’s helping Cuba, trading heavily with socialist countries like China, and supporting the Alliance of Sahel States in kicking out France. Ideology isn’t the reason for Russia’s anti-imperialism, its geopolitical context is.
As for nationalism, you oversimplified it dangerously. Nationalism against imperialism and colonialism is progressive, nationalism preserving imperialism and colonialism is regressive. Palestinian nationalism is a progressive movement against settler-colonialism and genocide, and weakens the international imperialist movement.
Returning to Russia, the nationalist bourgeoisie is interested in opposing imperialism out of their own self a preservation. They aren’t good people, but they are backed into a corner by a common threat. Russia is not an imperialist country, it already succeeded in a nationalist revolution in the 90s against imperialism and as such needs to have a socialist revolution to completely liberate itself.
Hi, do you have any further reading/recommended sources on the nationalist revolution of the 90s?
Capitalism is a global movement, the idea that elites of different nation states are ‘at war’ with one another is an illusion designed to keep the masses fighting amongst ourselves rather than against our common enemies: i.e the capitalist class. This has never been more clear than today, with the US president doing everything he can to support his allies in Russia.