If you think you have nothing to hide, imagine pooping with the bathroom door open all of the time.

Nice resource that goes over the main objections to people who don’t value there own privacy:

https://blog.rebeltechalliance.org/common-objections-debunked/

I just go full anti tech, which people find ironic since I’m in the tech industry, and they poke fun at that

No matter what you do, no matter what you think or say, people will try their darnedest to poke holes at it

But what you *don’t * do? That’s pretty hard to poke holes at.

“I don’t have a Facebook account” is a brickwall to the conversion. That way in their mind, it’s not that I don’t trust the company, it’s that I don’t even slightly value the product. I have a damn phone, I have to am required to_ pay for the damn phone. It has group chats. What is the value of Facebook again?

Marketplace? I buy everything brand new and keep it until it’s dead

Doomscrolling? Bad habit, not interested

Family connections? I cut most of them off but maybe 4, who know to call/text

Now even thermostats are getting microphones and listening devices, which will absolutely be used to collect data on people from their homes see ecobees new TOS, and the new HoneyWell/ring camera integrations frankly I’m just done with the bullshit. I’m full blown get any phone home technology the fuck out of my house levels of done

But I don’t say that when people ask why I changed my thermostat from the $400 Ecobee, which was a standout feature in my home when they walked in.

No. I say “their servers kept going down and causing issues when I needed it to work”, because people who somehow manage to live without concerning themselves of targeted pricing or snooping practices do care about slight inconveniences, and for whatever reason “they changed their TOS to get people to agree to let them spy on them without legal reprecussions, and if you don’t agree they’ll lock you out of your account barring you from using half the stuff you paid to use” is less logical to their pre-occupied brains than “I got inconvenienced twice a year from down servers”

Yeah if I talk about how everything is routed through VPN people just assume I’m deep into porn or worse.

“There is, simply, no way, to ignore privacy. Because a citizenry’s freedoms are interdependent, to surrender your own privacy is really to surrender everyone’s.

You might choose to give it up out of convenience, or under the popular pretext that privacy is only required by those who have something to hide. But saying that you don’t need or want privacy because you have nothing to hide is to assume that no one should have, or could have to hide anything – including their immigration status, unemployment history, financial history, and health records.

You’re assuming that no one, including yourself, might object to revealing to anyone information about their religious beliefs, political affiliations and sexual activities, as casually as some choose to reveal their movie and music tastes and reading preferences.

Ultimately, saying that you don’t care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different from saying you don’t care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say. Or that you don’t care about freedom of the press because you don’t like to read. Or that you don’t care about freedom of religion because you don’t believe in God. Or that you don’t care about the freedom to peaceably assemble because you’re a lazy, antisocial agoraphobe.

Just because this or that freedom might not have meaning to you today doesn’t mean that that it doesn’t or won’t have meaning tomorrow, to you, or to your neighbor – or to the crowds of principled dissidents I was following on my phone who were protesting halfway across the planet, hoping to gain just a fraction of the freedom that my country was busily dismantling.”

– Edward Snowden

You are becoming one of these “privacy weirdos” as some think. Fighting for own privacy and using all means to keep it in tact is a lonely battle. Its tough to find someone irl who share the same values. It looks like everybody just got into the same train and go with the flow. For them you are disruption, something uncommon, strange.

For as much as your average American loves big government conspiracies, and harping about other people violating the sanctity of their property, they have absolutely no actual privacy and security sense

Agree. One thing that I’ve noticed is that if it’s about social media I say I “had to delete it for mental health, that shit is so bad for you”, and generally get a much more receptive response than when I explain it’s primarily for privacy and that I don’t trust them with my data.

Though Zuck and others are making it way easier to point out how creepy their platforms are, so that becomes a good entrypoint re: privacy also.

It is worse than that. They often share your information directly, or initiate services that require your participation, and of course you must prove who you are to do so.

I thought you were going in a different direction (Even without a Facebook account, Meta has your contact info because they scanned your friend’s phone) but both are true. I’ve had similar conversations about it and privacy is not a value most people think is worth standing for. The convenience always outweighs what, for them, is a non-issue.

It’s genuinely baffling. My spouse is not a very bright guy and sees zero issue with all of our online erosion of privacy, saying all the age verification stuff going on is completely irrelevant and you can just lie about your age so it will never be a problem in the future either… it drives me crazy how short sighted it is

I agree, there is government policies and social policies, both supports the use of big tech and forces it into your home.

the classic “you are paranoid”

There are people who don’t care about that? Guess I’m lucky.