Lol! That’s hilarious. You are proving the point I was making to the other guy, in my last comment. You are selectively omitting all the ways that the Soviet Union did exactly the same thing as the US, after the war.
The Soviets had Operation Osoaviakhim, which used over 6000 Nazi operatives brought in from all over Nazi occupied territories, for their own missile programs, etc. Both Russia and the US were literally conducting almost identical programs across the spectrum, all the way through the entire cold war. It was
The fact that you’re just listing one side’s sketchy profile while completely ignoring the other, is the definition of intellectual dishonesty.
Did you actually read what I wrote or just skim for a keyword?
Yes, the USSR ran Operation Osoaviakhim. They relocated German specialists. And then those specialists were forced to worked in research institutes under massive scrutiny and supervision for minimum wage where they would be executed if they refused to work. Not one of them was made head of the Soviet rocket program. Not one was given a seat on the Central Committee. Not one was appointed to command Warsaw Pact forces.
The Soviet system used their technical labor under massive constraint and threat. The Western system restored their class power. Wernher von Braun didn’t just “work” for NASA. He was a leader. Adolf Heusinger didn’t just “consult” for NATO. He chaired its Military Committee. These weren’t technicians in a lab. They were architects of policy, strategy, and rearmament.
You call that “identical.” That’s not analysis. That’s surrendering to bourgeois propaganda. One system subordinated former fascists to the dictatorship of the proletariat. The other subordinated the postwar order to former fascists. If you can’t grasp that distinction, no amount of facts will help you. But please, keep typing. It’s instructive. I personally couldn’t imagine being so arrogant and idiotic as to embarrass myself to the level you have throughout this thread. You really are showing how you have somewhere between 0 and a negative understanding of history and honestly reality and might possibly be illiterate.
See? Again, this is all framed in an incredibly selective way. This is basically just propaganda speak, for “my side can’t do bad things, only your side can”…and I’m not even defending the US. You’re having a one-sided argument with someone who isn’t arguing with any of the points you’re making…only the fact that you’re leaving out all the parts you don’t like, while white-washi g the parts you do. That’s disingenuous.
If historical record sounds like the soviets were overwhelmingly better than the west, then that’s just your evaluation of the actual historical record. That’s what happened, it isn’t because soviets good and US bad, it’s from fundamental differences in how fascism is treated by communists vs. by liberals.
This is basically just propaganda speak, for “my side can’t do bad things, only your side can”
No it’s the historical record of what actually happened. The fact you don’t like it and wish all countries and systems were equally bad when it comes to fascism doesn’t change that. The USSR for it’s many faults was absolutely antifascist pre, during and post war.
You are exhausting. So arrogant and so utterly wrong. You should be embarrassed I’m surprised the embarrassment hasn’t won out and stopped you from spouting nonsense at least for a bit but I suppose you’re still in the denial phase.
Lol! That’s hilarious. You are proving the point I was making to the other guy, in my last comment. You are selectively omitting all the ways that the Soviet Union did exactly the same thing as the US, after the war.
The Soviets had Operation Osoaviakhim, which used over 6000 Nazi operatives brought in from all over Nazi occupied territories, for their own missile programs, etc. Both Russia and the US were literally conducting almost identical programs across the spectrum, all the way through the entire cold war. It was
The fact that you’re just listing one side’s sketchy profile while completely ignoring the other, is the definition of intellectual dishonesty.
Did you actually read what I wrote or just skim for a keyword?
Yes, the USSR ran Operation Osoaviakhim. They relocated German specialists. And then those specialists were forced to worked in research institutes under massive scrutiny and supervision for minimum wage where they would be executed if they refused to work. Not one of them was made head of the Soviet rocket program. Not one was given a seat on the Central Committee. Not one was appointed to command Warsaw Pact forces.
The Soviet system used their technical labor under massive constraint and threat. The Western system restored their class power. Wernher von Braun didn’t just “work” for NASA. He was a leader. Adolf Heusinger didn’t just “consult” for NATO. He chaired its Military Committee. These weren’t technicians in a lab. They were architects of policy, strategy, and rearmament.
You call that “identical.” That’s not analysis. That’s surrendering to bourgeois propaganda. One system subordinated former fascists to the dictatorship of the proletariat. The other subordinated the postwar order to former fascists. If you can’t grasp that distinction, no amount of facts will help you. But please, keep typing. It’s instructive. I personally couldn’t imagine being so arrogant and idiotic as to embarrass myself to the level you have throughout this thread. You really are showing how you have somewhere between 0 and a negative understanding of history and honestly reality and might possibly be illiterate.
See? Again, this is all framed in an incredibly selective way. This is basically just propaganda speak, for “my side can’t do bad things, only your side can”…and I’m not even defending the US. You’re having a one-sided argument with someone who isn’t arguing with any of the points you’re making…only the fact that you’re leaving out all the parts you don’t like, while white-washi g the parts you do. That’s disingenuous.
If historical record sounds like the soviets were overwhelmingly better than the west, then that’s just your evaluation of the actual historical record. That’s what happened, it isn’t because soviets good and US bad, it’s from fundamental differences in how fascism is treated by communists vs. by liberals.
No it’s the historical record of what actually happened. The fact you don’t like it and wish all countries and systems were equally bad when it comes to fascism doesn’t change that. The USSR for it’s many faults was absolutely antifascist pre, during and post war.
You are exhausting. So arrogant and so utterly wrong. You should be embarrassed I’m surprised the embarrassment hasn’t won out and stopped you from spouting nonsense at least for a bit but I suppose you’re still in the denial phase.