Why do we have to keep fighting our own government for our rights? Why can’t our government just represent us?
Because unfortunately our rights are opposed to the will of capital and they serve capital first and foremost
To put it in Douglas Adams words: Because the politicians are lizards ;)
BY ONE FUCKING VOTE!
https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189574
Vote out every single fucker who is trying to limit our freedoms!
i don’t understand, was EPP for or against the extension ? Cause my understanding was that they asked to have a second vote even if the first one already rejected the extension.
I don’t understand the votes on that website, most people from EPP voted 👎 (against the extension) but that means they are against chat control? Or in favor? What european parties are opposing to the chat control, I want to know which parties we can trust on this matter.
as another comment said, EPP was against this proposal due to it being not strict enough. They want full control of your chat (e2ee ones too). they were afraid that this would set a precedent for limits for chat control and voted againts
IIRC (but could be wrong) the EPP wanted stricter chat controls, not an extension of what was already there.
Where can I see who voted for and against? I want to know if I need to change who I vote for next EU election.
Scroll down and select your country: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
It’s always the ones you most expect.
Green = “opposing”, red = “supporting”… “chat control extension”. I guess the greens are against the chat control proposal, though that’s hardly clear, and there seem to be more reds than greens so that suggests the chat control proposal was accepted, or is there some other layer to this? Also the stance of a state bears no relation to that of its representatives. Very confusing
352 against
248 pro
44 undecided
A simple majority will do
I’m talking about a web page linked to by MoffKalast, see comments above
Well the proposal is to extend the temporary exemption that expires on April 4.
As it is now under this exemption THEY ARE ALREADY doing their dystopian scanning.
Since there is no legal framework to do this they and it’s against the current laws they use this exemption until they can force the final law that legalizes it.
The “Chat Control” proposal would legalise scanning of all private digital communications, including encrypted messages and photos.
it’s explained right there above the vote summary
It’s not the topic of the vote I’m trying to clarify but rather trying to make sense of that web page showing who is voting for what, and how, if at all that is connected to the European Parliament vote. That website suggests overwhelming support for the proposal at both state and representative level, I’m not sure what to make of that.
Yeah it seems to be backwards, they voted for an “Extension of the temporary derogation”, which I assume means if do you want to take more time to discuss this problem vote yes, or vote no to enact the newly proposed law now. Which is why the greens are paradoxically for the proposal and the EPP is against. Another layer of shenanigans to confuse people I guess.
It could be, although it also seems that “opposing” representatives are usually of the left/green persuasion and the right wing is mostly “supporting”, which is not what I’d expect to see in that case. All I can say for sure is that it’s very confusing.
EDIT: thanks for that link 😁
I think that Patrick posted it. basically the ones against where the conservatives, both left and right where against (even if there were some people inside those parities who voted to continue the scanning)
EDIT: apparently EPP voted against not because they want to support privacy but because the proposal was not enough invasive. they were afraid that it would have stopped their Chat control 2.0 proposal.
What?
I see conservatives+ extreme right pro. Also some fake leftAgainst greens -real left.
(Not absolute since they vote individually)
But by faction:
pro: EPP,ECR, ID/Patriots
Against: EFA, The Left, Renew Europe, S&D(divided)
Undecided: S&D, Renew Europe
https://howtheyvote.eu/votes/189574
EPP and ECR voted against extension, but IIRC the reason is that they wanted stricter controls instead. Most other parties were largely in favour of extending the current chat control mandate.
True, was confused.
This was the result on the initial proposal, not the vote on extension of the exemption.
So as I understand it, we already have chat control since there is no legal framework (initial proposal didn’t pass) and this exemption allows them to spy on us.
For those of us out of the loop, who is Patrick?
Definitely not a Krusty Krab
they will keep trying in the most sneaky ways until they are deposed. they only need to succeed once.
Let’s celebrate this victory… even though it’s concerning that it is a recurring topic :-/
They’ll just change a few things and try again. I feel like we’ve been hearing about chat control on and off for about 5 years now and I can’t imagine it’ll go away soon.
Good, but pretty meaningless overall while they still allow lobbying to take place.
They pretend to care that lobbying means corruption from corporate interests, but doing anything meaningful to stop lobbying entirely and punish anyone still doing it would be “authoritarian communism” now, wouldn’t it?
If politicans say something the opposite seems to happen so good bye private chats :(
