What are we arguing about then? I thought the argument is about one being better than other to which I disagree. Just because the censorship is transparent (which is another point of contention) doesn’t make the censorship ok and the censoring body “not authoritarian”. Bias exists, everybody is biased, it is very hard to be unbiased unless one grows up in a vacuum, even then it’s not a given. I think it’s harmful if the bias is hidden or if certain biases are censored, that is a mark of authoritarian government. If a government can covertly, subtly, informally, and sophisticated-ly censor parts of the narrative, cherry pick theirs and declare what can or cannot be published, I see that as a clear authoritarian government. This can make it that one person can rule for ever and any body that even questions this, can be made illegal and censored in the name of peace and harmony. If that is not authoritarian/dictatorship, then I don’t know what is.
I am not claiming the freedom of media owned by government owned by capitalist class is press freedom. But you have to believe there are press media that is netural, and some countries that thrive to have a netural press which has transparent press donations and funding which is used to judge how neutral or bias is the press. One example being Reporters sans forntiers who carry out this investigation and rankings.
On the note about government run by a capitalist class, what would you estimate the premier of China (Xi Jinping’s) monthly salary and net worth is? How much would that be compared to minimum wage. Is it transparent? Are there any country that you can just call somewhere (e.g. tax office) and ask a public figure’s salary and net worth and they would tell you. I assume in an ideal system this would be possible and not censored, you’d be able to see which of the politicians profited from “playing the stock market”?
On the note about government run by a capitalist class, what would you estimate the premier of China (Xi Jinping’s) monthly salary and net worth is? How much would that be compared to minimum wage. Is it transparent?
Yes, the compensation for civil servants is public information. Am I supposed to do your basic research for you?
Yeah could you, since you have found it. I haven’t, clearly my basic research ability is lacking. Can you point me where the salary of public servant is public including the premier’s and validated by a neutral body?
President Xi’s official monthly salary was approximated around ¥11,000–12,000 RMB (~$1,500 USD), based on extrapolation from China’s civil service pay scale for national-level officials. “级差八九百，国家主席月薪大概1万多”. This reporting however dates to 2014 and explicitly frames the figure as an estimate, not an official disclosure. China does not routinely publish itemized, real-time compensation statements for top leaders on public government portals.
As with other senior leaders, the role includes regulated, position-based benefits to support official duties: an official residence in Zhongnanhai, access to designated medical facilities for senior cadres, official vehicles and so on.
What are we arguing about then? I thought the argument is about one being better than other to which I disagree. Just because the censorship is transparent (which is another point of contention) doesn’t make the censorship ok and the censoring body “not authoritarian”. Bias exists, everybody is biased, it is very hard to be unbiased unless one grows up in a vacuum, even then it’s not a given. I think it’s harmful if the bias is hidden or if certain biases are censored, that is a mark of authoritarian government. If a government can covertly, subtly, informally, and sophisticated-ly censor parts of the narrative, cherry pick theirs and declare what can or cannot be published, I see that as a clear authoritarian government. This can make it that one person can rule for ever and any body that even questions this, can be made illegal and censored in the name of peace and harmony. If that is not authoritarian/dictatorship, then I don’t know what is. I am not claiming the freedom of media owned by government owned by capitalist class is press freedom. But you have to believe there are press media that is netural, and some countries that thrive to have a netural press which has transparent press donations and funding which is used to judge how neutral or bias is the press. One example being Reporters sans forntiers who carry out this investigation and rankings.
On the note about government run by a capitalist class, what would you estimate the premier of China (Xi Jinping’s) monthly salary and net worth is? How much would that be compared to minimum wage. Is it transparent? Are there any country that you can just call somewhere (e.g. tax office) and ask a public figure’s salary and net worth and they would tell you. I assume in an ideal system this would be possible and not censored, you’d be able to see which of the politicians profited from “playing the stock market”?
Yes, the compensation for civil servants is public information. Am I supposed to do your basic research for you?
Yeah could you, since you have found it. I haven’t, clearly my basic research ability is lacking. Can you point me where the salary of public servant is public including the premier’s and validated by a neutral body?
President Xi’s official monthly salary was approximated around ¥11,000–12,000 RMB (~$1,500 USD), based on extrapolation from China’s civil service pay scale for national-level officials. “级差八九百，国家主席月薪大概1万多”. This reporting however dates to 2014 and explicitly frames the figure as an estimate, not an official disclosure. China does not routinely publish itemized, real-time compensation statements for top leaders on public government portals.
As with other senior leaders, the role includes regulated, position-based benefits to support official duties: an official residence in Zhongnanhai, access to designated medical facilities for senior cadres, official vehicles and so on.