Today, in a symbolic act, Iranians set fire to the flags of Israel and the United States, as well as an obelisk and a statue of Baal—which they described as a symbol of Satan—in various cities across Iran in response to the release of the Epstein documents.

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    3 months ago

    Say what you want, but their effigy-burning commitment is absolutely top notch.

    They build a fucking statue that any Baal-worshiper would be thrilled to have in their home and then burn it.

    That statue is awesome. Blows Banksy’s picture-shredder out of the water.

    I’m just wondering if they contracted the statue out to some artist without sharing their plans.

    “You did what with it? Dude, that took me fifteen fucking months. MY WIFE LEFT ME!!!”

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      Burning a statue of Baal is metal as fuck. Set flame to the dying and rising god Baal, let his ashes bring strong harvests and renewal 🤘

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      I’m just wondering if they contracted the statue out to some artist without sharing their plans.

      I think the first part is a safe assumption, but I can I can’t imagine any reason for secrecy. It may have been state or community or corporate funding.

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      It’s a pretty random bunch of things to burn though. My guess is they had this stuff lying around for a while and they needed to make room for something else

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    3 months ago

    If I learned anything from Burning Man it’s that, in order to burn something in effigy, you first need to construct a combustible effigy.

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    3 months ago

    … Now I wanna know why there was a statue of Baal on the street in iran. Like, is there a Baal worshipping segment of the population? Was it some ancient statue? An art piece? Ragebait? I have so many questions.

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      3 months ago

      They built the statues specifically to burn them down for this symbolic act, they are not stone statues. I answered this to our other friend who asked as well🙏🏻

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        3 months ago

        Oh that explains it, thank you! I wonder why Baal was singled out instead of just building a statue of satan himself? There’s a cultural aspect here I’m missing.

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            Yeah, but… why go after baal for being satanic, instead of going after satan directly? I don’t quite understand why baal is taking the spotlight when you could have simply made a statue of satan, but I’m sure there’s a reason.

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              3 months ago

              Muslims don’t generally don’t have a representation of what Satan looks like, Baal is an idol, already has a shape

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                If you’re going for textual literalism sure fair enough, but what’s confusing me is that they then go outside the bounds of that to invoke satan anyways. And aside from that, it’s not like (figures that you can reasonably call a satan/devil analog if you dont want to start a fight) aren’t in the Torah, Koran and Bible - why not build a statue of Iblis, the progenitor of devils? And why describe Baal as a symbol of satan instead of just going after satan directly, since that means you already believe satan exists?

                I guess I’m just trying to figure out the symbolism here. Burning the flags is pretty clear, but the statue and the obelisk seem more like they’re an act aimed at worshiping false idols (what Baal is primarily used for in the various texts) which… is that what they’re accusing the US/Israel of? Because that seems like a largely semantic question given they’re all worshiping the same god, and just burning a satan-analog would be a much clearer message about opposition to evil than the sorta abstract concept presented by Baal in any of the texts.

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    Isn’t there evidence that the Canaanite gods El and Ba’al were merged into Yahweh, who remains to this day the Christian god and the Islamic Allah? These people are burning their own god

    Edit: My Lemmy client is messing up and won’t let me respond to comments. Just wanted to add that yeah, the Muslim Allah is the same Abrahamic God that Christians and Jews worship. In fact, the name “Allah” is directly derived from the god “El”:

    The majority of scholars consider[Allah] to be derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- and ilāh “deity, god” to al-lāh meaning “the deity, the God.” Originally, ʾilāh was used as an epithet for the West Semitic creator god ʾIlu (the Ugaritic version of El), before being adopted as the proper name itself for this god

    El, Ba’al, Yahweh, God, and Allah are all wrapped up in each other

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      It’s likely better to think of baal and yahweh as effectively the same deity for rival regional clans. Many psalms etc in the Bible are directly plagiarized from baal.

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      3 months ago

      Saying that polytheism and monotheism are actually the same thing and therefore they’re burning their own god is quite a large stretch.

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        I didn’t say that. Yahweh used to be a part of a polytheistic religion and over time became the only god. That doesn’t make polytheism and monotheism the same thing, but it does make Allah and God the same god as the Yahweh from the original polytheistic religion.

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          Linguistically they seem to use a word for “God” but that is about where the similarities seem to end. A quick search shows your theory being a prominent Quota answer which usually isn’t a great indicator of truthfulness, but also it claims Baal and Yahweh being two entirely different polytheistic gods and then Yahweh winning out over time (at least according to some rando on Quota). So even following that line they aren’t the same and Iran isn’t “burning their own God.”

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    3 months ago

    a statue of Baal—which they described as a symbol of Satan

    Cringe as fuck. “Satan” exist in a real manifestation in the form Capitalist Governments. You don’t need throw religion into it.

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    3 months ago

    I mean they were going to set fire to the statue no matter what, because religion is stupid.