I distinctly remember being taught in 2002 in upstate New York that humans were outside of the ecosystem and not bound by the same rules and things as animals were. The teacher said that’s what made us so special.

What a fucking crime.

There is a point burried in there that is drowned out by all the fallacious added baggage. Its disingenuous bullshit.

Indigenous Chinese or Indians or Nigerians are not protectors of the earth, just like every other industrial nation. The picture meant to frame “Indigenous” as what Canada calls the indigenous First Nations peoples. It’s relying on the racist trope of the noble savage, forgetting that First Nations aren’t against industrializing their lands, as long as they are included as partner beneficiaries and they don’t maximize returns via egregious environmental destruction on their lands. They also generally want industrialization and trade including water treatment, sanitation and all the other goodies like internet, tv, playstations and the like.

It also targets “capitalist” without looking at the eco-horrors of every other 'ism on earth. Go have a cool tall glass of Ganges, Nile or Yellow river water and tell me how refreshing it is.

This is a shitpost carefully designed to be a lopsided attack.

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https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/articles/good-viruses-do

Not all viruses are evil, so it might hold up?

Sure, if you all want to live like it’s 1750 again humans are not a problem. We both know you don’t want to do that so stop acting like the modern lifestyle is sustainable if the rich just polluted less. It’s not that simple, they pollute that much because they own the facilities that support our lifestyle

When you buy a house you’re “one of the world’s richest”. The “world’s richest” aren’t just millionaires and billionaires. They include the middle classes.

What are the population densities and technology levels among these magical indigenous peoples? This is the Magical Negro trope all over again.

That’s so racist

The planetary zero-impact carrying capacity for humanity is somewhere between 500 million and 2 billion, depending if we want (respectively) a first-world meat-inclusive diet or a fully vegan diet.

Carbon emissions aside, we are indeed a plague upon the planet. Thanks to high tech, we have massively blown past our carrying capacity, and risk lowering the non-high-tech-enabled carrying capacity down into the mere tens of millions or even less. Which bodes very badly if we experience a severe civilizational collapse in the next 10-30 years (as is becoming increasingly likely) that makes building and maintaining high tech impossible.

Edit: this meme is also very problematic. A “collapsing environment” has CO2 production as only a very tiny contribution. It also involves soil degradation, overfarming, overfishing, overharvesting of forests, animals driven to extinction, and all sorts of effects that are DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE to our insanely high population and has almost no extra effect from “the wealthy”.

No, sorry, I stand by the “humans are a virus” side. A small minority aren’t, but most are, myself included.