China has lashed out at Germany after its foreign minister called Xi Jinping a “dictator” and summoned Berlin’s ambassador for a dressing down, in the latest flaring of tensions with a western democratic power over how the Chinese leader is described overseas.

    • OR3X@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Gee, I wonder which group of users would do something like that…

      • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 years ago

        Probably the antiracists. You should wonder if you’re on the right side when you are promoting and supporting racism.

        • OR3X@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          2 years ago

          LMAO! Racist? I didn’t know “dictator” was a race! Please, enlighten me.

            • unphazed@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              2 years ago

              Not racist at all. It’s against one person. Trump’s face is seen on an orange all the time. No one is calling for racism. He just looks like a damn orange.

              • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                2 years ago

                There’s a big difference here.

                Is Trump’s skin naturally orange? Is there a long history of oppressing white people in the US and other NATO countries?

                Just because the Winnie the Pooh meme didn’t originate as a racist symbol doesn’t mean that it isn’t used to propagate racism and sinophobia.

            • DarthFrodo@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              edit-2
              2 years ago

              The Taiwanese use the meme all the time. Obviously not because it looks like Xi in particular and especially because of fragile censoring, but because they like to be racist against themselves. That must be it.

              Calling Trump a guinea pig is probably also considered racist in lemmygrad.

              • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                2 years ago

                Taiwan is where the former Republic of China retreated after being defeated by the People’s Republic of China. The censorship of Xi=Pooh in China isn’t rooted in racism, it’s rooted in the political conflicts between the ROC and PRC. China censors these comparisons because they are used by opponents to attack the government. You don’t have to agree with their methods to understand why they would want to do this. Censoring realistic threats to the ruling government is a common practice in all nations.

                The racist aspect originates from how the meme is used in Western circles where there is a long history of racism towards minorities and the enemies of the US as well as a long history of sinophobia.

                If your understanding of history, racism, and their opinions of Trump are so shallow, maybe lurking Lemmygrad to learn why users from this instance act so aggressively towards racism and war-mongering propaganda would be helpful.

              • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                2 years ago

                Dehumanizing people through racism is a well established method the US has historically used when manufacturing consent to go to war among its people. Look at depictions of Germans and Japanese in WWII. Look at depictions of Koreans, the Vietnamese, Afghans, and Iraqis during the invasions of their countries.

                Just because its origins weren’t racist doesn’t mean it hasn’t taken on a racist meaning. Sinophobia is rooted in racism and ignorance.

    • hackris@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      It’s definitely part communists, but I think mostly special interest groups, maybe even from China itself.

      • Łumało [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        You really want to feel special enough to think the Chinese government would even care about this internet backwater? Get real.

  • quindraco@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    2 years ago

    Very noticeable that they didn’t specify how he wasn’t a dictator, nor what other label would be more appropriate.

      • quindraco@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 years ago

        I use a client that can block instances, so I have all of Hexbear blocked. It radically improves the Lemmy experience.

          • GoodEye8@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            2 years ago

            There’s differing opinions and then there’s just shittalking. When it comes to differing opinions most of Hexbear interactions deliberately (by the admission of their own users) fall under shittalking. They deliberately antagonize and troll anyone with a different opinion because in their mind anyone who doesn’t agree with them should be trolled. You don’t get differing opinions from Hexbear, you get a bastardization of a differing opinion. One that is different only on the basis them telling you you’re wrong, and in most cases even that has to be intuited.

            Nobody should wade through shit to get a few nuggets of gold which is why most people just block Hexbear.

          • zooi@feddit.nl
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            2 years ago

            Have you ever bothered to read the rules of your instance? If I go on there and say anything negative about your cute dictator I’ll be banned. However, you can freely go on our greedy capitalist instances and praise your teddy bear as much as you want. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I guess your mind can’t comprehend being free.

            • Red Wizard 🪄@lemmygrad.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              2 years ago

              Do you mean the rule about not being Sinophobic? Is that really a hard rule for you to follow? I like to look at objective reality instead of just barking the same nonsensical shibboleths when the topic of China arises.

              • zooi@feddit.nl
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                5
                ·
                2 years ago

                No capitalist apologia / anti-communism

                You would whine even harder if lemmy.ml had No communist apologia / anti-capitalism in their rules.

                • Red Wizard 🪄@lemmygrad.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  2 years ago

                  Most anti-communism has no basis in reality and often are myths perpetuated by state agencies. All Anti-Capitalist sentiment is rooted in the material realities of our world and life. To deny socialist historical reality is to deny your own history, and ultimately is an admission of your disingenuous support of the truth.

                  Historical Materialism is truth seeking in practice. It requires you to have a fact based, objective view of our past and present.

                  Also I don’t know why I would whine, because I’m not using lemmy.ml. That instance can have whatever rules they want. I wouldn’t block or defederate from them because of it either. But if you are not interested in seeking the truth and objectively observing reality, then I guess you can insolate yourself from it and keep your echos.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    2 years ago

    Antagonizing China while going into a recession is a really bold move by Germany. I guess that’s what you get when you put opportunists in charge of running a country.

  • gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    In China, the people directly elect local council (e.g. village or town level) representatives. Those local council members than select who among themselves to send to represent them at the next level above. This continues all the way the National People’s Congress and the Standing Committee.

    This sort of organizational structure is more-or-less how political parties in Germany also work; so by that logic the Green party itself would presumably be an undemocratic institution.

    OK, but the CPC can control who is allowed to run in elections, right? Well, Germany banned its communist party: In Germany, any organization (and their members) that wants to abolish the liberal order, capitalism, private property and so on is subject to repression, surveillance and outright bans, and this is enshrined in the constitution. So no fundamental difference there either: In Germany the liberal institutions decide who can and cannot run, and they have decided the commies are out.

    Empirically, the Chinese government enjoys way better approval rating than any Western government, Chinese people believe themselves to be living in a democracy, and the Chinese administration seems way more responsive to the actual needs of the people, what with the poverty reduction and all. How is this possible if they’re so much more undemocratic than Western liberal democracies?

    • Laitinlok@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      2 years ago

      Well I think the issue is the people in China haven’t experienced the democracy in US so the comparison would be hard to measure. As funny as it gets the people in the US can laugh at Joe Biden but not those in China that could laugh at president Xi.

      A note accompanying the poll results offers a disclaimer, stating that “in authoritarian countries, positive perceptions might result from different conceptions of democracy, high levels of government satisfaction, or fear of speaking out against the government.”

      • Krause [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        I think the issue is the people in China haven’t experienced the democracy in US

        Don’t worry, the Americans haven’t either.

              • GreenMario@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                2 years ago

                动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

      • OldPain@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 years ago

        Well you can fuck right off! The same person *supposedly upset about the KKK just discriminated against 330,000,000 people from every country on Earth in the very next breath. You’re worse than racist.

    • Łumało [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 years ago

      Haha, racism! I love that one!

      Whatcha gonna do, China? That’s right, nothing.

      What is there to do when you are already the one winning?

    • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 years ago

      The only empire is the US empire and the way they talk about themselves as an empire, they’re proud of it too. Yell one-word feel-good slogans at them like “CHANGE”, “FREEDOM”, or “DEMOCRACY” and all the citizens shout and cheer because that’s what they’ve always been told to do.

      Try sitting during the pledge, the singing of the national anthem, or insulting the military. The US empire will have none of that. Truly the land of the free.

  • TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    Most dictators haven’t gone by that term, preferring instead some other executive role like chairman, supreme leader, or president. If Xi doesn’t want to be called a dictator, maybe China should start holding open elections, see how popular the CCP really is.

    • sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 years ago

      The CCP has higher approval rates than western governments and the vast majority of Chinese believe they are living in a democracy. This is confirmed by western studies; latest one I’ve seen was from Harvard.

        • zephyreks@programming.dev
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 years ago

          A fair bit, actually. China’s political system is basically a popularity system from bottom to top. At the lowest level, politicians only stay in power if their population is happy. This trickles up to the provincial level, where politicians again only stay in power if their population is happy. At a national level, the national leaders stay in power by building, essentially, large cabinets out of different provincial and regional leaders - thus, their entire position relies on keeping the provinces happy.

          It’s not the perfect system, but Chinese citizens can fairly easily impact local and even provincial policy and, by extension, influence national policy (recently, by repealing the COVID lockdowns with mass protests).

          The CCP isn’t an absolute monarchy or something. At the end of the day, it serves it’s people. The power of the Chinese economy is in its industrial capacity, after all, not in its wealth: the needs of the people need to be addressed to keep the country stable.

        • sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 years ago

          Enough for them to believe that they live in a democracy, it seems (and I don’t say that sarcastically).

          It’s not like people in liberal democracies have more influence. We can’t choose who runs, and each individual’s vote is negligible. I don’t know the specifics of China’s government, but I suspect they value being able to influence local policy and higher official elections via the Communist Party more than a direct vote on its leader – I would too, honestly.

          • discount_door_garlic@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            2 years ago

            don’t make conflations with the USA and other liberal democracies. There are plenty of transparent, effective democracies where popular votes matter massively, and saying because the USA is electorally broken that everywhere is only serves the narrative that true liberal democracy “isn’t possible” i.e., exactly what China and Russia suggest.

      • Syldon@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 years ago

        The CCP does not have confidence in that though, hence the way it runs the elections there.

        • sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          2 years ago

          I’d say that it has confidence in that, but their elections and government are structured in a different way.

          • Syldon@feddit.uk
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            2 years ago

            Just like Ford sold their cars in any colour you want, so long as it is black.

            • sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              2 years ago

              If 95% of ford owners were satisfied with their black cars, vs 40% for another manufacturer that provides cars in multiple colors, then ford would be the better manufacturer.

  • Ignacio@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    2 years ago

    Obviously he’s not a “dictator”, and that foreign minister should be sacked. Because Xi is a “supreme almighty emperor whose words are worth to be enforced or else…” A bit of background knowledge is never a bad thing.