China has lashed out at Germany after its foreign minister called Xi Jinping a “dictator” and summoned Berlin’s ambassador for a dressing down, in the latest flaring of tensions with a western democratic power over how the Chinese leader is described overseas.

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      It’s definitely part communists, but I think mostly special interest groups, maybe even from China itself.

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      Gee, I wonder which group of users would do something like that…

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        Probably the antiracists. You should wonder if you’re on the right side when you are promoting and supporting racism.

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          LMAO! Racist? I didn’t know “dictator” was a race! Please, enlighten me.

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    In China, the people directly elect local council (e.g. village or town level) representatives. Those local council members than select who among themselves to send to represent them at the next level above. This continues all the way the National People’s Congress and the Standing Committee.

    This sort of organizational structure is more-or-less how political parties in Germany also work; so by that logic the Green party itself would presumably be an undemocratic institution.

    OK, but the CPC can control who is allowed to run in elections, right? Well, Germany banned its communist party: In Germany, any organization (and their members) that wants to abolish the liberal order, capitalism, private property and so on is subject to repression, surveillance and outright bans, and this is enshrined in the constitution. So no fundamental difference there either: In Germany the liberal institutions decide who can and cannot run, and they have decided the commies are out.

    Empirically, the Chinese government enjoys way better approval rating than any Western government, Chinese people believe themselves to be living in a democracy, and the Chinese administration seems way more responsive to the actual needs of the people, what with the poverty reduction and all. How is this possible if they’re so much more undemocratic than Western liberal democracies?

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      Well I think the issue is the people in China haven’t experienced the democracy in US so the comparison would be hard to measure. As funny as it gets the people in the US can laugh at Joe Biden but not those in China that could laugh at president Xi.

      A note accompanying the poll results offers a disclaimer, stating that “in authoritarian countries, positive perceptions might result from different conceptions of democracy, high levels of government satisfaction, or fear of speaking out against the government.”

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        I think the issue is the people in China haven’t experienced the democracy in US

        Don’t worry, the Americans haven’t either.

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      This is a weak argument.

      I was not aware that term length was the method by which a dictatorship was determined. (Hint : It is not) In a democratic country, keep the people happy, stay in power. Is that how China works?

      I could speak more on this but I will match your low effort and pause there.

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        In a democratic country, keep the people happy, stay in power. Is that how China works?

        Yes it is, here’s a Harvard Ash Center study proving it:

        https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

        https://ash.harvard.edu/files/ash/files/final_policy_brief_7.6.2020.pdf

        The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government. In 2016, the last year the survey was conducted, 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. In contrast to these findings, Gallup reported in January of this year that their latest polling on U.S. citizen satisfaction with the American federal government revealed only 38 percent of respondents were satisfied with the federal government.

        I could speak more on this but I will match your low effort and pause there.

        I’d rather not read any more stupid comments from smug and uninformed liberals like you in my inbox, thanks for the favor.

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          This is clearly troll, but let’s play. Why not.

          Let’s first recall the initial assertion, readers please keep it in mind, (Image asserting dictatorship among western politicians)

          Let’s see what conversational traps the troll uses.

          1. “Proves” China is happy. Let’s assume their proof is valid to save time. Pause, revisit initial point, is it related? Doesn’t seem to be. Alright let’s continue.
          2. Asserts I am liberal? Odd, seems related to nothing. None of the topics seems attached to this assertion. Let’s continue.

          End of post, so let’s revisit, has the responder provided anything of value on the topic (recalling that this is a topic that they initialized). Well, no.

          2/10 troll. Mildly entertaining though. I’m glad they posted, its a good education for people to see common tactics used by time vampires. Have a nice day troll or trollbot.

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            The irony of calling me a troll while at the same time dismissing a study you haven’t read to attack my character. Please keep your word and stick to just one low effort reply here, I don’t think anyone needs to read you embarrass yourself any further.

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      Haha, racism! I love that one!

      Whatcha gonna do, China? That’s right, nothing.

      What is there to do when you are already the one winning?

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      The only empire is the US empire and the way they talk about themselves as an empire, they’re proud of it too. Yell one-word feel-good slogans at them like “CHANGE”, “FREEDOM”, or “DEMOCRACY” and all the citizens shout and cheer because that’s what they’ve always been told to do.

      Try sitting during the pledge, the singing of the national anthem, or insulting the military. The US empire will have none of that. Truly the land of the free.

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    Most dictators haven’t gone by that term, preferring instead some other executive role like chairman, supreme leader, or president. If Xi doesn’t want to be called a dictator, maybe China should start holding open elections, see how popular the CCP really is.

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      The CCP has higher approval rates than western governments and the vast majority of Chinese believe they are living in a democracy. This is confirmed by western studies; latest one I’ve seen was from Harvard.

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        The CCP does not have confidence in that though, hence the way it runs the elections there.

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          I’d say that it has confidence in that, but their elections and government are structured in a different way.

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            Just like Ford sold their cars in any colour you want, so long as it is black.

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              If 95% of ford owners were satisfied with their black cars, vs 40% for another manufacturer that provides cars in multiple colors, then ford would be the better manufacturer.

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    Very noticeable that they didn’t specify how he wasn’t a dictator, nor what other label would be more appropriate.

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        I use a client that can block instances, so I have all of Hexbear blocked. It radically improves the Lemmy experience.

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            There’s differing opinions and then there’s just shittalking. When it comes to differing opinions most of Hexbear interactions deliberately (by the admission of their own users) fall under shittalking. They deliberately antagonize and troll anyone with a different opinion because in their mind anyone who doesn’t agree with them should be trolled. You don’t get differing opinions from Hexbear, you get a bastardization of a differing opinion. One that is different only on the basis them telling you you’re wrong, and in most cases even that has to be intuited.

            Nobody should wade through shit to get a few nuggets of gold which is why most people just block Hexbear.

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            Have you ever bothered to read the rules of your instance? If I go on there and say anything negative about your cute dictator I’ll be banned. However, you can freely go on our greedy capitalist instances and praise your teddy bear as much as you want. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I guess your mind can’t comprehend being free.

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              Do you mean the rule about not being Sinophobic? Is that really a hard rule for you to follow? I like to look at objective reality instead of just barking the same nonsensical shibboleths when the topic of China arises.

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                No capitalist apologia / anti-communism

                You would whine even harder if lemmy.ml had No communist apologia / anti-capitalism in their rules.

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                  Most anti-communism has no basis in reality and often are myths perpetuated by state agencies. All Anti-Capitalist sentiment is rooted in the material realities of our world and life. To deny socialist historical reality is to deny your own history, and ultimately is an admission of your disingenuous support of the truth.

                  Historical Materialism is truth seeking in practice. It requires you to have a fact based, objective view of our past and present.

                  Also I don’t know why I would whine, because I’m not using lemmy.ml. That instance can have whatever rules they want. I wouldn’t block or defederate from them because of it either. But if you are not interested in seeking the truth and objectively observing reality, then I guess you can insolate yourself from it and keep your echos.

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    Obviously he’s not a “dictator”, and that foreign minister should be sacked. Because Xi is a “supreme almighty emperor whose words are worth to be enforced or else…” A bit of background knowledge is never a bad thing.

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    Xi said that he’d start executing German tourists if they didn’t take it back