Every day we get closer to an Orwellian society. The United Kingdom may already be one.

  • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    US big tech is influencing europe to do the same as the us, and opening them up for absolute power.

    the only way out is to stop being US vassals.

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      No. This is a very naive & dated way of thinking about the world of today. We don’t really have distinct borders distinguishing politicians at that level.

      It’s more accurate to say the Davos group is ruling all western nations. What looks like separate world leaders and parties is actually one world-spanning organization of those with power. And what’s worse, they’re all Nazis and technocrats.

      The Nazis learned from WW2. If you invade a country, the people fight back. If you groom and install/bribe your own people into leadership positions, the people just let it happen.

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        big US capitalists are the ones ruling western nations (and the third world, through neocolonialism). other western oligarchs might play a role.

        in this case, europe doesn’t have its own big tech that compares to the US’s, and i don’t think they are allowed to.

        i don’t think they are relying on a formal, yearly summit to do so either. the real politics are made behind close doors, and i doubt there’s a public list anywhere of the people coming to agreements on how to direct their power.

        i will agree they are fascists who learned their lesson from nazi mistakes.

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            being independent is better, but oligarchs are a real problem aren’t they. we really gotta figure this shit out.

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    From the fact Britain produced Orwell, Huxley’s Brave New World, and Alan Moore’s V for Vendetta, I figure the UK has always been some shade of “Orwellian”.

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      Historically, the UK has always been very self assured in their goals and never looked for outside input while disregarding the people that they were upending. Anyone who wasn’t helping them was viewed as an enemy to be controlled, oppressed , or destroyed. If that isn’t a non-political explanation of rightwing authoritarianism, I’m not sure what is.

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    We are living in Orwellian society, it’s just the news catching up with reality.

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    I am not aware of any western country that isn’t a police state.

    The reason the police state gets worse and worse is simply that our glouriouss western countries shift closer and closer to fascism every day.

    Unfortunately that doesn’t only impact privacy but also stuff like state repression or presence of state thugs.

    To quote very smart people:

    OOONEEE SOLLUTION
    REEEVOLUTION

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      I hope for a revolution, but as for my country (Italy), too many people have been brainwashed by mainstream media’s pro-European and Atlanticist propaganda. We call them “euroinomani” (“euro “drug” addicts”)

  • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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    Is this thread about the rising fascist movements? Oh…

    Is it about the refugees from their colonies they drown in the Mediterranean? Oh…

    Well is it about the pivot from renewables and nuclear to oil and gas? Wh… well what is…

    Oh. This is a thread about your online treats.

    #1 on lemmy ‘top in last 12 hours’

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    I’m quite curious to see how it will end in the UK with the porn filters because the people don’t seem to be inclined to use their IDs online, the system is brittle, and non-porn websites are being blocked too.

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      As a Brit who has seen the UK government’s ill thought through and unworkable attempts at police state bullshit go through the process a few times now, I’m going to predict: VPN use goes up massively, the government starts talking about banning VPNs without considering that this would break half the internet, then some wealthy business donor has a quiet word to them because businesses need VPNs to function, but they can’t publicly back down because they already called everyone who opposed it a pedo. So they pick one or two VPN companies (whichever ones have the most foreign-sounding names), have the tabloids run a propaganda campaign about how evil they are, then ban them even though they aren’t based in the UK and it makes no difference to anything, then they’ll claim they won and the laws will stay on the books forever but nobody will bother to enforce them and everything will carry on as before.

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        then some wealthy business donor has a quiet word to them because businesses need VPNs to function

        A little credit here. They’d rephrase the law to only target VPNs whose purpose is offering as a service to the general public (as opposed to exclusively employees and contractors) the ability to connect to a private network with exit points / the ability to appear as if their traffic originates from outside of the UK.

        On a related matter they could also require know your customer for all VPNs, require all VPNs keep logs available on request for police inspection and those who don’t are banned. All companies keep extensive logs for corporate VPNs so this wouldn’t present any additional burden to private enterprise but would be the end of anonymous VPN services.

        I really don’t think this is more of the spectacle and move on. Not this time. I think Palestine has them spooked because they lost control of the narrative and the best way to seize control of the internet and clamp down on people conveying information they don’t like is starting with things like this.

  • Mugita Sokio@discuss.online
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    The UK is owned by a different country. That country is Italy, where the Roman Catholic Church resides. Any Catholic-owned platform will shut down anything that goes against the RCC, or at best, they’ll just minimize the reach for those who have some things to say against the Jesuits and Catholic leadership.

    That’s from what my producer, Neigsendoig, researched.