BEIJING : This Dec. 21 story has been corrected to clarify that the ban was on the export of technology to make rare earth magnets and that the ban on technology to extract and separate critical materials was already in place, in paragraphs 1 and 6. It also removes context and the comment on rare earth processi
  • u_tamtam@programming.dev
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    11 months ago

    No better way to boost diversion, and probably a net win for the planet considering how dirty and environmentally harmful the rare earth supply chain is today.

      • u_tamtam@programming.dev
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        11 months ago

        Yup, though you are comparing 19th century tech to cutting edge tech: the PRC isn’t going to crack EUV lithography on its own any time soon

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          11 months ago

          • China can’t make modern electronics

          • Okay they can make modern electronics but they’ll never design their own domestic brands

          • Okay they made their domestic brands but they’ll never achieve market dominance

          • Okay their domestic brands dominate their own market but they’ll never see export success

          • Okay they’re seeing export success in the EU, India, SEA, and the Middle East, but they’ll never make their own RAM or set teleco standards

          • Okay they made their own RAM and helped define the standard for 5G, but they’ll never make their own processors.

          • Okay they made their own processors but they’ll never make anything smaller than 10nm

          • Okay they made a 10mn chip but they’ll never make a 7nm chip

          • Okay they made a 7nm chip but they’ll never make a 5nm chip

          • Okay they made a 5nm chip but they’ll never crack DUV

          • Okay they cracked DUV but they’ll never crack EUV <------ YOU ARE COPING HERE

          • Okay they cracked EUV but they’ll never make a 4nm chip

          • Okay they made a 4nm chip but they’ll never build a chip factory around a large scale particle accelerator

          • Okay they built a large scale chip factory around a particle accelerator but…

          • u_tamtam@programming.dev
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            11 months ago

            You obviously fall into the trap of believing that hard science cares about politics, and that money thrown at problems as part of national strategic planning magically solves them. But for anyone else legitimately interested in understanding the topic better and having a glimpse at its complexity, those are great resources:

            If the above is too advanced, this can serve as a good primer and answers “how the heck did we get there”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt9NEnWmyMo

            Also, I never wrote that China will never get to EUV (or eventually something beyond that), just that it will take a very long time, because the complexity is spread across several very distinct scientific disciplines, integrating them is a challenge of its own (again, watch the videos), and packaging this into a system that meets the scale and reliability requirements to make it commercially viable hasn’t been reproduced to date.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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              11 months ago

              EUV is complex, unlike nuclear weapons and energy, 5G, space stations, probes to the dark side of the moon and hypersonic missiles. Those things are simple.

              smuglord

              • u_tamtam@programming.dev
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                11 months ago

                EUV is complex. And more so than the accomplishments you mentioned: nuclear weapons were cracked in the 1940’s, probe moon landings in the 50’s and space stations in the 70’s. All have since been reproduced by several nations in isolation. That is not the case of state of the art lithography. No single nation “owns” it because it truly is a multinational endeavor.

                (And actual hypersonic missiles haven’t made it to the battlefield, and 5G is about commoditization and standardization, by the ITU, an organ of the united nations, so I’m not sure exactly how that adds to your rhetoric)

                smuglord

                Way to put your ignorance on display.

                • Krause [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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                  11 months ago

                  actual hypersonic missiles haven’t made it to the battlefield

                  Really? Then how come Russia has had them in service since 2017 and China deployed theirs in 2019? This is just cope from western “military experts” online that can’t deal with the fact that Russia and China have better missiles than America.

  • XTornado@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    The pot is boiling, the countdown is starting… We will see how long more until they hit Taiwan.