I won’t excuse genocide. And apparently I’m the devil because of it.
If someone can excuse genocide that’s a personal failing they should see to.
Genocide is an antiseptic term for a very nasty thing.
Watch out, you’re going to upset the folks at lemmy.world
And the german feddit
Feddit already permabanned me for calling the German government Nazis a few weeks ago so their precious eyes are protected from seeing this meme.
The ‘good german’ feddit.
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Libs stop thinking in electoralist terms challenge [back-breakingly toilsome]
Democrat politicians abandoned you decades ago and don’t have your interest in mind, please please PLEASE stop defending them/putting your hopes on them (and the electoral Kabuki theater in general) and do something about your situation yourselves. Organize, build community, help people in need, use your privilege where it matters.
It’s too late for elections, even more if that’s the one and only thing you’re willing to do politically. You might “win” a presidential term for a democrat president next time but the damage is already done and everything is rotting around you.
All this dumb bickering about “voting for the lesser evil” is incredibly frustrating for people from countries who endured dictatorships. So if anything, listen to them and act before it’s too late.
You leftist rabble-rousers with your lofty ideals of “not doing a genocide” don’t know anything about getting elected and getting things done
*loses 2 elections to the most disliked president in history*
DAMN YOU PUTIN!
You gotta understand, we only had three months to distance ourselves from Biden but also didn’t want to. It was the only way to make sure the donors were happy. You understand right? Stop blaming us for taking no positions and blame yourself for demanding us to take a position to secure your vote. It was a completely unreasonable ask and you knew it!
No one said it was fine that Harris supported Israel.
What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election, and they both support the genocide. We condemned the one-sided criticism, not the facts.
I saw a ton of people that tried to say Kamala would be better without any actual evidence of that.
Do you think she would’ve upgraded the 5-ton bombs to 10-ton bombs, and provided bulldozers to turn the West Bank into a billionaire resort too?
According to recent reports stating that Biden never applied any pressure to israel, and considering she never made herself different than him on israel, I have no doubt if they asked she would have.
Actually a huge number of people said it was fine that Harris supported Israel, as well as a huge number who engaged in heavy denialism about Harris’ support of genocide.
If you never said that harris shouldn’t be supporting genocide, you never encountered it.
Since we are in a post election situation, by constantly scape goating voters, you are doing one sided criticism.
Trump helps genocide and he is a bad guy, Biden and Harris help genocide but the voters should have accepted it essentially.
If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
Yes, that’s the idea. No centrist wants to stop the genocide. It’s not like it’s something centrists do want to stop, like raising the minimum wage or universal healthcare or cannabis legalization or anything they run on.
Am I? More people voted against Trump than for him. If the third-party voters accepted that they can’t change the rigged system by voting third-party, Harris would’ve won.
The were too small a demographic to listen to, but they were so influential that they’re responsible for trump.
Sounds like they’re kingmakers and maybe they should have been treated accordingly. But that will require belatedly abandoning support for genocide, so centrists never will.
If the dems had catered to voters instead of kneeling in front of a foreign apartheid state and its genocide, Harris would have won.
Politicians can choose what they represent and the platform they put forward. I don’t want to have to vote for genocide so democracy can live again, I want the dems to drop their pro-genocide stance. Blaming voters is the opposite of asking for change.
Be glad those third parties exist. Those people would have spite voted for Trump instead, not for Harris.
At least they’d be forced to own their complicity instead of hiding behind a pointless action.
At the moment of voting there was only one choice which had been complicit in genocide up to that point.
Are you for real?
Trump repealed restrictions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a settlement after him in occupied Golan Heights. He also said Israel needs to “finish the job” and stop recording their atrocities because they’re “losing the PR war.”
What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election
Yeah, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I remember.
A Democrat or a Republican. Welcome to the United States. Select one of the two or one will be selected for you.
I think gloating about cancer is gross.
I also think using cancer as an excuse for hagiography of a man who knowingly sold weapons for an ongoing genocide is gross.
Got a comment removed yesterday for ‘hate speech’.
Lemmy .world is just Blue MAGA complaining about Reddit being Red MAGA.I saw that; it was particularly ghoulish because it was in a comment section full of actual, overt hate speech. But that hate speech was directed at America’s enemies, so guess who’s catching the ban.
If we bully him enough, the genocide will stop.
He needed to be bullied more while he had power
is that relevant
Yes, the bullying could work on someone who has power, but its a few months too late to sway biden on anything
Ah – I was being sarcastic when I said “if we bully him enough, the genocide will stop.” Perhaps I should have added
/s.
Not to people who didn’t want our involvement with netanyahu’s genocide to cease.
How Chase Oliver would handle Israel | Centre Stage shorts
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZUKEznaw8aU
Oh, and the USSR—under Stalin—was the first country to recognize the Zionist state of Israel.
Yeah apparently there was something going on where USSR and Jews had an amicable relationship because of the history of Jewish people always existing in Russia, and them saving them from nazi Germany
Pretty sure Russia was Pogrom king and they wanted to get rid of the Jews too.
Didn’t German Jews support Germany in WWI as they saw it as less antisemitic than Russia?
So my history on Eastern Europe is quite lacking and this might be completely wrong but from what I recall Russia conquered a few countries like Poland and Ukraine and suddenly they had Jews living in Russian territory. Then Russia started doing Pogroms (The word Pogrom was invented in Russia). Knowing that, I would assume that German Jews at that time would not be very warm to Russian conquest but I really don’t have enough historical knowledge on the subject.
but I really don’t have enough historical knowledge on the subject.
Me neither. 😁
But yeah, that’s kind of my take on it too. Thanks for your reply. 🙂
Did you get that in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
Yeah Biden absolutely could’ve withheld aid and ended the genocide with 1 phone call but he loves genocide too much
I think it’s indifference rather than love, but yeah, he could have done so much with so little to stop it, with little risk of the Democrats losing the White House in 2024. Ditto Harris. (Ditto Trump—health concerns aside, he still has 45 months to at least try to redeem himself a bit.)
The Leahy law required that he withhold arms sales.
He broke the law for netanyahu.
Then I suppose he can be prosecuted.
By whom?
Presumably an American court.
Neither democrats nor republicans are willing to prosecute, so the law is meaningless.
Lucky you.
Biden has a life time of publicly loving the genocidal state of Israel.
I suppose; but many Americans preferred him to Trump.
Ok, what’s your point?
Many Americans would rather vote for a leader who supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians a little less than the Republican candidate who supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians a little more. It’s why if I was American, I’d support neither Democrats nor Republicans.
Ok…? What does any of that have to do with the point at hand?
It’s also not true, Biden has been a hard core supporter of Israel’s genocide for decades, the idea that he supports it less than the Republicans is just genocide apologia.
The USSR and Stalin were bad, whats your point? Can you say the same of biden and condemn him?
I sometimes think of this when leftists, particularly tankies, attack (presumably all) non-far-right non-leftists for dithering, or allegedly dithering, on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict;
but yeah, Joe Biden was/is bad for supporting Israel. Ditto Harris, Bill Maher, and Fetterman.
Whataboutism
I suppose some of it, yes; but still, maybe tankies shouldn’t generalize too much.
You say, generalising
Yes, I suppose.
And just to be clear, we’re not attacking them for “dithering” on the Palestine genocide (not “conflict”, genocide); we’re attacking them for actively and consistently supporting the genocide. The idea that they’re just “dithering” is a lie liberals tell themselves so they can keep supporting genocidal fascists without feeling bad about themselves.
So according to you, there are no non-leftists who oppose the genocide of Palestinians.
You know somebody has completely run out of arguments when they start doing the “So according to you , [something that in no way resembles anything say said]” thing.
I’ll take that as a “Yes, no non-leftists oppose the genocide of Palestinians.”
OK. I can’t stop you from ignoring what I said and making up your own unrelated statement in your imagination.
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Proud of you for maxxing out your moms credit card but Eurovision is not political right?
You mean the vast majority of Europeans. Not that we didn’t know that Europeans and Americans are inherently genocidal here in the rest of the world.
