Been trying it for a little while. It’s exactly what I have been looking for.
- Works great
- is encrypted
- can be self hosted
- edge ML for photo search (not perfect yet)
- S3 backend #ente @ente@mstdn.social
Can I expect ente servers from usual Foss providers ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ Its encrypted and can be self hosted so public servers are possible??
Can’t see why not. Personally I’ll be paying for them(ente) to host it for me to support development.
Since we are making open source apps and building with continuous community feedback, effectively our GitHub and our Discord are our offices.
— Contact Page
Soo the only way to really communicate with your free software project that is all about self-hosting & privacy is thru fully-closed, US-based services with ads & ToS that let them track you. Way to practice what you preach.
Most people don’t use federated services. I know it’s ironic that an open source project isn’t using open source channels, but sometimes it’s best to stick to services that are easy access and popular.
I’m sure if enough people got in contact about using open source communication they would likely attempt it.
Not to mention that self-hosting/federation comes with a million small headaches.
If the devs are paid, do you want to pay them to work on the project or work on maintaining a contact infrastructure?
If they aren’t paid, do you want them using what little free time they have working on the app or working on maintaining a communications network?
If it’s someone else’s forum/matrix/chat server, are you okay with 1. a third party having access to your communications and 2. being able to force a comms blackout for any reason whatsoever?
Or would you rather they use their time and money focusing on finding a provider who meets every need of the project AND every user?
You said it better than I could
These do not meet the philosophical or privacy needs of users. Look at how the Switch emulator situation was handled where one megacorporation told another megacorporation to shutdown their communications & they did. Look at how US sanctions prevent users form touching these platforms. Look at how the feds & advertizers use all the collected data.
I’m sure if enough people got in contact about using open source communication they would likely attempt it
You see the chicken-egg situation here, right?
You can have multiple channels. You can bridge. You can designate some spaces as reserved but unofficial. They do list a Matrix in the finer print, but not choosing it as primary is madness IMO since the option are certainly good enough & if you believe in the philosophy you will direct your community in this direction to inspire other folks to uptake & hopefully improve our freedom-respecting options. Instead you start at bifurcating a community along lines of those that want ethical software & privacy over those who are willing/able to give it up—which as you say is definitely ironic given the marketing buzzwords chosen like “self-hosted”, “respects your privacy”, “open source”.
Right but a small company or even a group of people aren’t going to put resources into something that a few % of people use. Look at Linux, despite it being the most used operating system in the world, retail sticks to windows and Mac, so it just doesn’t get the same level of support.
I completely agree in the sense people should educate themselves and use products that benefit them and don’t abuse them, but people don’t. And because people don’t, companies won’t.
Folks are free to do what they want with their project just as I am free to judge them for their choices. The big problem with these sort of communication decisions is that you effectively silence those that would like to raise their hand toward wanting something for them too. “We asked our Discord chat room if they like it & they all said yes, so the community has already spoken with regards to Discord”. If lazy, it is next to zero effort to say: “we also (unofficially) support a Libera.Chat/OFTC room @
#foobar
” so the other folks know where to find the other ones that value their bandwidth, system resources, freedom, privacy, security, blocked by sanctions, or just sick of mainstream social media/ads.With regards to Linux, it’s been a grassroots effort by enthusiasts that take the philosophies to heart, & it is just a shame to adopt the licensing, but not the general philosophy. As users, I think we should be more critical of these choices, but there’s a lot of shrug it would be nice, but…
It’s harsh to criticise people for not working for free…
Start with good, accesible tools you can have control of—either by self-hosting or that they have their source code available so you can suggest fixes, or migrate off later. Choosing proprietary software like this leads to inevitable lock-in so why start there if we have seen this play out many times?
So give the data to Amazon instead of Google?
It can be encrypted…
I’d love to try it out but only self-hosted. And so far I can’t get it spun up. To be clear, I’m sure that’s a me problem. That said, the instructions are pretty spartan and a few commands to run and “that’s it. you can now create an account and login!” but that doesn’t work for me.
I currently have Immich running and it’s good. But I’ve had two updates break my install, requiring hours of work to get it back to working reliably. They have a disclaimer that this can happen and isn’t ready for production yet, so I don’t fault them for that. I’m just on the hunt for something more reliable. Ente seems like it’s been around a good while. I just need to figure out what I’m doing wrong. The S3 backend is a pretty great feature, imo.
you lost me at s3 backend
If you want to have multi-host redundant storage at home (via e.g. minio or ceph), S3 is a pretty good protocol to provide it.
S3 is nice in the way it’s not a file system so it can have relaxed semantics, while also providing secure access to individual files over HTTPS via URL signing.
Some people seem to be stuck in the idea that S3 means cloud hosting. Not sure if that was your view, but it’s worth spelling out sometimes.
Thank you for posting this. I did not know that S3 can equal anything aside from “amazon hosts this”. TIL
Yeah anything which implements “S3” like Minio or some other cloud provider will work just fine.
thanks, this was very helpful
Funny, its the one that caught my eye and made it interesting to me.
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